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rutter123 wrote:Blower is prob down to blown resistor in the fan unit or the motor can seize, easy enough to check with a multimeter. sometimes the heater control panel can give probs with the tracks being dirty
To be pedantic, there is no resistor in the heater control circuit to fail and cause lack of blower - it is transistor controlled and failure of that will cause full speed. There is a thermal fuse in the transistor module which can suffer from corrosion and stop the blower working, but the most common failure I've seen is the failure of the earth to pin 3 of the control PCB. Some pictures here to show you how to gain access:
http://www.bxclub.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5515

Dirty tracks will tend to give an unstable speed, and non-linear control rather than complete failure.
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Today was a day of day of diagnostics for the various electrical gremlins this one has.

First to be tackled was the heater fan, which I can confirm does work. The fault does appear to be with PCB. The tracks look okay, Tracks 1 and 2 are live and if earthed the fan engages, and track 3 is earthing as it should. There is no contact strip on the rotary switch itself and I cannot see another way the circuit could work. So does anyone have the white bit in the pic with a contact strip otherwise I shall superglue something onto it so that it contacts.

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After doing that I moved on to investigations of the electric windows, the news here is mixed. We have no wiring fault, and the passenger wiper motor now operates on the switch, which had simply been unplugged behind the door card. On the other hand if you open the passenger window the glass falls out, which would be why it had been unplugged. The regulator itself is fine and operates as it should, unfortunately the same cannot be said for the tracks that are bonded to the bottom of the glass. In fact they are so rotten that the rollers on the scissor mechanism fall out and the glass drops out of its runners. Are those tracks available of am I going to have to bodge something up?

Drivers window, the winder motor has given up the ghost its gets power, and clicks, but does not turn.
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The window runners were available new from Citroen last time anyone checked.
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There are two types of contact, one which is a simple ( shape of springy metal and the other which is like a 3D figure of 8, pressed in by two tiny springs. I initially misread on RR that the contact on the PCB was missing, but which check when I get back which I have (please remind me if you haven't heard anything this time next week!)

As for the window channel, it's part no. 95633346 and hopefully still available from Citroen!
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The window channel is no longer available from Citroen as of last year :( I phoned a few dealers and all said the same thing; one even telling me it wasn't a Cit part number to start with!

The good new is that Chevronics bought some stock, and have 3 left available. They are getting more made up in the next month or so, so the situation looks OK for the future. Mine is on the way :)
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Ok i'm getting tired of welding now. This thing was a lot more rotten than it looked at first glance but saying that I do believe I have broken the back of it and have only another few hours of welding to do.

I had noticed a hole hiding under the air box. Well that little 50p size hole turned into this whopper when all cut out. It also necessitated the removal of the airbox and the headlamp cluster for access.

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Now I had heard that the inner wings on these were very prone to rot at the base of the A pillar. Seeing as there had been some bubbling in that area I thought I should whip off the outer wing for a closer look. Taking the wing off was no real hardship as its bolt on. It turns out that the area I was expecting to find rot in is really not too bad, it looks like someone has repaired it before and not sealed it properly and I haven't got holes just a bit of thinning steel. On the other hand its probably a good thing I took the wing off as it revealed a crack dead centre, that requires a patch this size let in,

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I've started the airbox repair and I am now kicking myself for cutting the repair patch about 5mm to short and not realising until it was welded in across two sides. Going to be a filler patch going in there and plenty of sealant to stop it rotting again afterwards.

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Forgot to mention that I can't find the paint code so I am concerned with how i'm going to get some paint of the right colour as I have two panels in need of respraying. Now I believe the paint code should be on the inner wing around the airbox, well if that is where it should be it's long gone from previous repairs. I've even tried contacting my local dealer who can't get the codes because the car is too old. Have another photo of the car to help it's a very dark grey (not black) BX19 TGD Meteor

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Paint code will be on the n/s inner wing usually 3 letters or poss on a small stick on label about an inch square, maybe Tim Leech could give you more guidance.
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That's the problem if it is on the n/s inner wing it's no longer visible. That patch I put in today is by no means the only repair that inner wing has had.
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Yes had this problem myself before where it had been cut away for repair, maybe the VIN plate will have the colour code on it?
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As its a BX meteor they only came in grey or silver so wont take a lot of finding, its probably Meteor Grey code EYY (have you looked in the service book if you have at the front page)
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Found the colour my dealer emailed head office in France. The colour is Gris Graphite according to factory records and the code M1TW.

The work I started yesterday is now finished.

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My n/s front inner wing is now structurally sound. This is probably completely the wrong thing to say but I do believe that I have now finished all of the welding.

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Remember that hole in the inner wing, what hole?
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Blower fan not working is normally just the earth, it is a very simple fix as they have 2 earths in the heater control one for the blower and one for illumination. you just bridge across to a second (lighting) earth.
Details all listed in a sticky under 'the definitive heater modification' in Technical frequently asked .

http://www.bxclub.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5515


"My heater blower stopped working in my TZD this week;
I used this thread to find the fault was as described in posts above the heater earth track no longer earthing. A simple connection from the heater Earth no.2 to no.3 the lamp earth (if counting from the right facing forward (3&4 if counting from the left)) I did a temporary permanent repair by twisting some wire strands round the base of the lugs before plugging back in.
I didn't bother with the modification as I didn't want to risk the pitfalls encountered by some of the others on my 93 car and my blower is strong enough anyway on full. "
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Finally got this one pretty much there and had her in for MOT this afternoon. Sadly she failed, but on the plus side it could have been a lot worse

OSF brake disc deteriorated
OSR trailing arm bush has excessive play
Both headlamps beam image obviously incorrect. Tester said they basically had no image so I suspect the units will have to be changed

Brakes should be a nice quick fix, i'm not sure how hard the trailing arm bush will be to change but they appear to be available. Biggest problem for me is the headlamps which although available new are more than I paid for the car. Does anyone have any known good sets?

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I have a pair if you haven't had any luck yet?
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