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Post by bxrider » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:45 pm

I think thats being unfair - there are several members of the forum with quite extensive knowledge of the BX ( and I dont count myself amongst them) some of whom have worked both for Citroen and suppliers, and to date no record of any official 1.9TD BX's exist.


you dont think that practically telling me i'm an idiot and wrong is very nice ?.............i know what i owned,and worked on,to a point i even teased my dad,because an article(which i am trying to find).........which caravan or something like that,tested a number of cars including the 1.9td(which my dad owned) and 1.7td( which i owned),and concluded that the 1.7 TZD turbo was the best car for towing caravans.

and jonkw i have nothing to prove, i know what i am capable of.and having worked for a number of major garages myself, i can tell you it aint such a biggy............according to the mechanics at my local citroen dealership,you cant disable an immobiliser off with a laptop :roll: ...but having said that and being fair to them,it isnt something citroen or any other car manufacturer openly tell there people

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Post by DavidRutherford » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:44 pm

bxrider wrote:you dont think that practically telling me i'm an idiot and wrong is very nice ?
Not at all. What is being said is that the facts simply do not add up. The 1.9TD engine wasn't even designed in 1991, so there's no way a 1991 BX could possibly have had one from the factory.

And given your initial attitude of stating that some people "don't know what they're talking about" I think you've only been given as good as you gave.

As to your reference to the caravan towing article. I believe I've seen that, and the two cars under test were a 19TZD (1905cc naturally aspirated) and a 17TZD (1769cc turbo). The test was to see if a larger N/A engine or a smaller turbo engine was the better choice.
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Post by bxrider » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:21 am

DavidRutherford wrote:
bxrider wrote:you dont think that practically telling me i'm an idiot and wrong is very nice ?
Not at all. What is being said is that the facts simply do not add up. The 1.9TD engine wasn't even designed in 1991, so there's no way a 1991 BX could possibly have had one from the factory.

And given your initial attitude of stating that some people "don't know what they're talking about" I think you've only been given as good as you gave.

As to your reference to the caravan towing article. I believe I've seen that, and the two cars under test were a 19TZD (1905cc naturally aspirated) and a 17TZD (1769cc turbo). The test was to see if a larger N/A engine or a smaller turbo engine was the better choice.



the statements practically calling me an idiot and liar were made b4 i made the statement"dont know what they are talking about" was made,and as for you calling me a liar again,there we go......for that vehicle i had to send the insurance company a photocopy of my V5 and a statement issued by citroen france that ,that car was built with that engine before the insurance company would touch it,because they had it down as a n/a engine and said if it had a turbo that was a modification,and i would have to go to a insurance company that specialised in modified vehicles
as for the article in the paper,you could be right,thats why i was looking for it,to make sure.
and as for the statement the 1.9td wasnt even designed then,how do you know ?.............the only people that will know will be citroen france,and if like any other car manufacturer,1/2 the time they dont even know whats in their own cars..................ford was experimenting with anti-lock brakes several years before they became the norm,as i said with the granada,it wasnt until an extensive search was done through ford using the VIN number that it came to light why my car had different components on the braking system

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Post by DavidRutherford » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:28 am

bxrider wrote:and as for you calling me a liar again,there we go.
I did no such thing. What I said was that the facts do not add up, and that what you have stated is impossible, as the engine simply did not exist at this time.

What I have said, and what I continue to believe, is that you are mistaken.

It would be akin to me going on to a Land-Rover forum and stating that I have a 1987 200tdi "90".... which is impossible as the 200tdi engine wasn't available until 1989.... and then telling everyone there that they didn't know what they were talking about.

I'm not adding any more to this thread now, as I can see it getting messy.
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Post by cavmad » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:44 am

BXRider, with great respect I don`t think that joining an internet forum and coming across the way you did in your first post will do you any favours. I haven`t got the merest idea about what Citroen engine was made and/or fitted on any specific date but I do know that I`d trust Jon (amongst others) implicity.
You question `and as for the statement the 1.9td wasnt even designed then,how do you know ?.............` has surely already been answered by Jon when he mentions his Citroen experience?
You mention owning 8 BX`s in one go, well I can tell you I`ve almost certainly owned that amount of BX`s in the last few months (virtually every deriviant too) and I still haven`t got a tenth of the knowledge that most of the people on this forum have but I do know I`ve never heard of a factory 1.9TD and (you must admit) that to say you owned several is stretching everyone`s imagination more than a little.
As regards `and obviously jonkw and 1 or 2 others have no clue what they are talking about ` I feel you are asking for ridicule (though I don`t believe you have had it) and that`s frankly a ridiculous and silly statement to make. I also believe that the manner in which you have posted your messages makes you come across an `idiot` (your words, not mine) so perhaps a little respect m ay be in order before your typing finger gets carried away?
If you believe that you`ve encountered/owned `several` 1.9TD`s then good luck to you but I personally think you`re mistaken and if I`m being honest I couldn`t really care if you take that personally or not. Just like everyone else you are entitled to your opinion and (for what it`s worth) I welcome you along, but for crying out loud don`t come on here as a newbie and post `in your face` messages as you seem to have done so far.
The expression `when you`re in a hole, stop digging` comes to mind here.
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Post by docchevron » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:59 am

BERLIMEY! Time to take some chill out pills???
As a relative newbie on here myself I'll refrain from opening my big mouth too much but....
I've had several years experience with not just bx's but all PSA stuff (and other more boring stuff too).
Despite having built several N/A and turbo engines it IS very easy to get 1769 and 1905 lumps confused, and for the sake of little over 100cc is it really worth getting the stress levels in the red?
I bought a "1.9" TD engine from a well known and reputable breaker in Bristol for dads bx. He had it marked as a 19, I looked at it before purchase and it looked like a 19 to me. I got it home and it wasn't till I stumbled across the engine code I realised it was a 17TD. The vendor apolagised and offered to change it (I know this guy well, he knows his sh*t and I know he genuinley made a mistake in identification, as did I), I refrained from returning it cos it seemed like a good engine, and its still going and is indeed a good engine.
It's only 3mm in bore diameter. Surley theres more to life.........?
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Post by Vanny » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:08 am

:P

I still made the first 1.9TD BX :D and i did it the hard way!


And now its rings have gone!



Yeah yeah i wasnt the first, i know three people now who slung a 1.9td in a BX before me (two from Pugs, one from a ZX), but i was the first to have a website to declare my insanity!

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Post by cavmad » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:14 am

[quote="Vanny"]:P

And now its rings have gone!



So`s mine but I put that down to the curry :lol:
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Post by docchevron » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:16 am

Too true! You aint had much luck with it have you...
No doubt it'll get sorted in the fulness of time.
I quite like the 17 in mine. The car we bought off luke todd may be a 19td but untill I check very, very carefully I shant expand on that statement!
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Post by Stewart (oily!) » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:18 am

Me too :twisted: :twisted:
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Post by AndersDK » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:43 am

cavmad wrote:
Vanny wrote::P

And now its rings have gone!


So`s mine but I put that down to the curry :lol:
Mine is too - but the reason is chili sauce
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Post by tom » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:03 am

Mark Twain: "Never argue with a fool; a passer by may not know the difference."

Here you will find pretty well the sum total of all BX knowledge from people around the world with many hundreds of man-years' experience. If such a thing as a 1905cc Turbo diesel had been fitted to a BX, We would know.
It wasn't. When the 1905TD came out, the BX was on runout and the Xantia Estate was scheduled for production to replace it.

1900 Turbo engines were all made to go into the new generation cars and none would have been fitted to BX because French homologation of a new type is costly and bureaucratic and the model was on runout anyway.

As for "tester cars" (Mules) these would not have been right hand drive. They wouldn't have been BXs either because there were cheaper vehicles to try them out in before scrapping them. Finally, the supply of bodyshells would have run out long before the supply of 17TD engines which were supplied to all and sundry long after the last of the BXs were made.

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Post by docchevron » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:02 am

Nicely put tom. I think that says it all really. The red estate owned bya vicar I mentioned much earlier in the thread turned out to be.... a 1.9 N/A when it left the factory (V5 indicates this) Had an engine change a few years later when the N/A broke the cambelt so it wasn't a turbo when cit built it. The engine was supplied and fitted by a paritioner for free. God moves in mysterious ways etc. Not that I'm religious. I only know him cos his church was at the end of my road... well it still is but I dont live there anymore. :wink:
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