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Post by M » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:44 pm

Mr B wrote:BX Cottage. Is it only me who finds that funny =;
I could see it being popular down Starr Gate :twisted:

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Post by DLM » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:30 pm

Ah! The BX Cottage - I've seen one of these in France, and, strangely enough, it doesn't resemble a public convenience - what it does have is faux-rustic chintzy interior.

Revue Technique has a pretty good list of the (French) special editions - though, to get back to the start of the thread, I don't recall seeing a "sauvage" in that list. Image, Millesime, etc. are there - I'll have to post a list sometime but as my reference materials and internet access (public) are at two different locations it relies on my rather unreliable memory to prepare anything to download in advance.
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Post by tom » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:11 pm

Suppose I ought to point out that the French estates were known as "Evasions" but the 1.9d was never a getaway car. They were also called "Breaks" which you couldn't say with a straight face here.

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Post by Way2go » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:22 pm

tom wrote:Suppose I ought to point out that the French estates were known as "Evasions" but the 1.9d was never a getaway car. They were also called "Breaks" which you couldn't say with a straight face here.
I thought "breaks" was an Americanism being short for "Shooting Breaks" to describe their usually large estate cars in the heyday of the American motor industry? :?
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Post by tom » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:56 am

Yes and no. The correct term is "Shooting brake," and it is English in origin.

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Post by m_2975 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:57 pm

jonkw wrote: I'm wondering whether in fact its an Aus market "Special" or something?
Hi Guys,

Just to put this thread to bed, I can answer you the Sauvage mystery.

Coming from a family that owned an Australian Citroën dealership through the BX days I know the story behind this rather rare car.

The BX sauvage is a special australian version. Sauvage means Savage in French. It was released at a time when the BX 16V was not yet available. The MK1 BX16V was never released in Australia and the Sauvage was the "sporty" car. Sauvage's were all specially converted in Australia with old stock in 1988. They featured the yet to be released silver alloy wheels (which were only added to the BX range in 1989 in Australia), the front bumper lip, front foglights, rear hoop spoiler, interior headrests, a different rear exhaust box and the Sauvage decals. They were not tuned in any way or anything like someone on the Aussie frogs forum was saying. All the parts came from the factory and were fitted here.

The reason that they made this Sauvage is that they had a lot of what was called here a BX TRI-108 (basically an early bx 19gti engine using Bosch Multipoint LE3Jetronic Injection and the TR series cloth trim) and they were old stock. This TRI-108 was to be replaced by the BX 19TRI-122 (Just the engine compression upped, new Bosch Motronic Multipoint ECU and new wheels as shown on that Sauvage) which was to be released in 1989, along with the BX16V. The Sauvage was made in 1988 to clear these BX's that actually had a manufacturing plate displaying early 1986!!! THEY WERE 2 YEARS OLD!!!! I have a photo here somewhere to prove it. Will look for it.

The reason that there were all of these cars sitting around for 2 years is that firstly they all sat in France for 12 months as the Australian importer changed and there was a lapse in imports. Then when they came the new importer got very greedy and wanted too much for them. Therefore very few BX's were sold and sales were slow. They then introduced very attractive leasing through a deal with a company in Australia and brought out the Sauvage. This then finally cleared the cars and made way for 1989, the year of the new BX 19TRI-122 and BX19TRI-122 Estate. There was no estate prior to 1989 and they are extremely rare here.


So there you have it guys. The BX Sauvage that wasn't that Sauvage, but just a spruced up standard BX in a fight for the survival of the BX in Australia.
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Post by tom » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:16 pm

What a brilliant and definitive reply! Thank you for clarifying that for us. Would that you could do the same for the 1900 turbodiesel!

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Post by m_2975 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:19 pm

tom wrote:What a brilliant and definitive reply! Thank you for clarifying that for us. Would that you could do the same for the 1900 turbodiesel!
Sorry Tom,

As the 19Turbo Diesel nor any Diesel were ever imported into Australia I can't answer that mystery for you.
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Post by jeremy » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:29 pm

You probably have!

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Post by m_2975 » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:17 pm

jonkw wrote:I wonder whether you would like to make a similar reply to the bloke on Aussiefrogs who tells us that the "Sauvage" was a french police special with lowered suspension, better anti rollbars and more power. LOL!!!
Jonkw,

I know the person that you are referring to. He likes to "sex" these cars up and he does a good job at that. I'm not criticising.

The reason that he would say that is that the BX TRI-108 is a fantastic running car. Although it has a rated 108HP, it runs so smoothly and so well that anyone with a BX19TRI-122 would swear that the 108 has more power!
Mated to the BE-1 gearbox the 108 is a nice running car, something that can't be described. The only things that they changed were the ECU (LE3 Jetronic to Bosch Motronic), gearbox (BE1 to BE3), compression ratio (can't remember what it was and what to, but it was raised in the 122) and the camshaft.

So there you have it, come to Australia, find a good BX badged "BX TRI" and you'll have a good running car.
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Post by DLM » Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:39 am

The TZI estate I ran briefly a couple of years ago (later UK designation for TRi) was a lovely car, so long as petrol consumption wasn't an issue.
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