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Post by Jaba » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:01 pm

Brilliant post and pics Todd. Keep them coming.....

Although reduced to expat status, like me - you are single handedly showing us all how to post in an interesting, amusing and informative histoire.

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Post by Way2go » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:35 pm

There is even that strange power plug being offered in your brochure that fits the rear of the centre console. :shock: 8)
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Post by mat_fenwick » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:58 pm

Strange power plug? They're not that difficult to find are they? This is the standard plug, while this can also be used in a normal cigarette lighter socket. That said, it is annoying to have to replace the plugs on all the 12V equipment to be able to use the rear socket, even if (IMO) they do give a more positive(!) connection.
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:07 pm

I guess you could wire up a cigarette double socket extension with one of those plugs? Making it a little more 'universal'? Saying it gives a more 'positive' connection would that make it a better be for connecting an invertor?
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Post by Way2go » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:16 pm

Thanks for info Mat. :D
Philip Chidlow wrote:I guess you could wire up a cigarette double socket extension with one of those plugs? Making it a little more 'universal'? Saying it gives a more 'positive' connection would that make it a better be for connecting an invertor?
I was just thinking that myself with a triple ciggy outlet that a mate bought down at Aldi.

Not used this socket ever, but based on Mat's advice it would seem to be a more secure point for your inverter. Is the full 16A available at this point? What mains powered gadgets are you intending to run from the inverter?
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Post by mat_fenwick » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:44 pm

I reckon it would be better for an inverter or any high current device, IF the wiring can take it. Although the fuse (no. 7) is rated at 30A, I seem to remember from the owners manual that it is described as a 12V 10A socket.

Cigarette lighter sockets only rely on the spring pressure on the central pin of the plug to give a good contact, which can give a high resistance connection (plus it can lose contact if the wire is moved). The rear socket has 2 spring loaded contacts which grip around a groove on the central pin giving a larger contact area and more resistance to the plug pulling out.

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Post by Philip Chidlow » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:19 am

Still off topic sorry... the invertor would be used for charging a laptop, mobile phone or PSP... no tellies or anything!
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Post by Way2go » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:12 am

Philip Chidlow wrote:Still off topic sorry... the invertor would be used for charging a laptop, mobile phone or PSP... no tellies or anything!
Mmmh.........An inverter is probably not necessary then as 12volt charging leads will be better and more efficient.

Car charging leads for many makes of phone are available at £1 from Poundland.

PSP will be similar but maybe need to go elsewhere to the pound shop.

The laptop again you should be able to get a lead for so long as the rated battery voltage is no higher than 12volt. Certainly I've run Toshiba laptops on a dc lead in the car in the past.
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Post by DavidRutherford » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:46 pm

Way2go wrote:The laptop again you should be able to get a lead for so long as the rated battery voltage is no higher than 12volt. Certainly I've run Toshiba laptops on a dc lead in the car in the past.
Even if it is higher than 12v, a DC-DC converter built into a lead of some sort is much less lossy than inverting up to 230v, then transforming and rectifying back down to <30v DC.

TBH, I don't see the point of low-power inverters.. you can't actually do anything with them.
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:56 pm

Re: Inverters I agree, I used to have one which I used to run my iBook with (as I don't have a car adaptor for it), but really it's a bit pointless.
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Post by docchevron » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:48 am

mat_fenwick wrote: I seem to remember from the owners manual that it is described as a 12V 10A socket.
I believe you are quite right, although I'm not sure I'd want to run 10Amps through that cable. It's a tad M. Mouse Esq..
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Post by DavidRutherford » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:08 pm

(very) Rough rule-of-thumb: 1mm cross section area for every 10A of load.

.. so yes. I wouldn't want to put 10A down there either. If memory serves, that cable looks about 0.5mm cross-section area, so even 5A is pushing your luck a little.
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Post by docchevron » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:44 am

I'd say 0.5mm is about right, but it gets worse the fusebox side of the multiplug, looking at that I wouldn't want to charge my phone with it, and that only draws 300ma!

Interesting rule of thumb that David, this I did not know, but then I know naff all about lektricky. Other than it's all done with smoke!
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Post by kermit the frog » Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:18 am

Hi Doc and David

I subscribe to both theories of the lektrickery but i have to say the thought of anywhere near 10 amps passing between the two front seats under a plastic centre consol is not my idea of safe.

I think a heavy duty high smoke pressure wire direct from the main smoke store ( the battery ) is what is needed and a high capacity smoke valve ( a fuse ) is an additional safety feature that is definitly a must.
The fuse/valve must be fitted under the bonnet as close to the battery/smoke store to allow any escape of smoke to disipate into the engine compartment and not into the interior.

As to the cross sectional area it goes without saying as in most other things the bigger the better. !!!---)))

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Post by CitroXim » Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:40 am

And should you accidentially loose some smoke from the wiring, you'll need this:

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