The definitive heater modification

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The definitive heater modification

Post by Doz » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:06 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen ...

The heater control modification. Enables the fan to run at full speed using the relay already fitted above the steering column.

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Whilst you have it apart, clean the track behind the control with a cotton bud moistened with alcohol and the contact strip on the knob itself. Also worth checking/ changing the bulbs.

And there you have it ... warm feet AND a defrosted screen at the same time \:D/

Reassemble, ajourn and celebrate your hard work with a beer...
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Post by tom » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:20 pm

We did. Thanks for the picture. It will make life a lot easier.

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Post by Mr B » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:54 pm

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Post by Kitch » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:18 pm

This could be done from the front could it not? Without pulling the whole panel out and trying to unhook all the cables etc?

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Post by Doz » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:33 pm

Kitch wrote:This could be done from the front could it not? Without pulling the whole panel out and trying to unhook all the cables etc?
Can't see why not
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Post by Kitch » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:36 pm

So cut a section out of the strip and solder between the other two?

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Post by jeremy » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:44 pm

You don't need to unhook the bowden cables. The circuit board etc comes out quite easily.

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Post by tom » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:50 am

You don't need to. it can be done in situ without removing the board. Just solder a wire across the track. 15A fuse wire will be fine.

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Post by simonineaston » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:57 am

Why do I modify the pcb you refer to - and how!?
I'm glad I asked! I'll be a bit disappointed if I find I don't have this type of PCB when I get the panel off this week-end...
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Post by Doz » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:31 pm

A step by step guide....

1) Pull off control knobs, and undo two philips/torx screws behind temparature and feet/face/screen knob. Turn air control knob on centre console vents to off (prevents springs from disappearing into the air duct) GENTLY remove vents, catch little springs.

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2)Locate metal retaining tags just behind the vent holes to left and right, and hook a flat screwdriver behind the tag and prise it outwards to release the front panel.

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3) Cut the track carefully using a pocket knife or similar (ask an adult to help at this stage!) and solder some wire across the other track.

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Your circuit should now look like this:

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Switch the ignition on , wind the wind :lol: control to max, you should hear the relay behind the steering column click, and the fan speed pick up. Check the bulbs , and reassemble!

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Cool .... 8)
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Post by paulwitchard » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:47 pm

I think I'll have to find the soldering kit - and fix the bulbs - I wasn't going to bother but this seems to make removing the switches worthwhile!
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:32 pm

I'm inspired. So am I right, the fans won't operate at full chat without this modification? And I assume in which case it does no harm the the blower motor over time.
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Post by jeremy » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:17 pm

The speed control on BX heater fans is achieved by the use of transistors which do a very good job but always have a residual resistance. The system is designed to remove this residual resistance by simply bypassing the transistors to enable full power to be delivered to the motor - and they did it rather nicely using a relay rather than a big switch on the dashboard. The only shame is that someone got the circuitboard wrong!

As for motor life - its designed to work in this way. Its not compulsory to run the thing flat out all the time - and you would probably get too hot anyway! Full speed is only achieved when the knob is rotated fully clockwise, the variable slower speeds remain undisturbed.

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Post by kiwi » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:05 am

I feel a modification about to take place :)