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Tourist wrote:Of all the cars I've seen, when it comes to the XUD9 I've only ever seen Bosch in the turbos and Lucas in the others. Not that this matters ...
Given your age and likely experience of XUD engines, you're quite right, this doesn't matter at all.

You really do need to stop trying to sound so authoritarian about a subject you clearly know next-to-nothing about. If you don't know (which you don't), let someone who does know guide you, rather than continuing to spout what can only be described as "complete bollocks"

For instance, your most recent post:
Tourist wrote:With the turbos I think it's just what they had in stock at the factory.
Really? Can you back this up with experience, or specific knowledge of the factory turnover of parts? Nope. Didn't think so. It's just yet more "complete bollocks"

This applies to many of your posts on this forum. TBH I'm getting a bit fed up with it. Wind you bloody neck in.
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Tourist wrote:With the turbos I think it's just what they had in stock at the factory.
I'm not saying that I'm right, I mean to me that's how I'd explain why the BX has either a Garrett or a KKK at random, I haven't worked out a pattern, have you?

Look at this thread:

http://www.bxclub.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9861

You will find this post. I read it as saying that the BX can have either.
jonathan_dyane wrote:Other than very late 1.9TD's both were fitted with the same turbo, either Garrett or KKK depending on luck.
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Its dependant (like most cars) on target market, specification, date of conception, stock abundancy, and of course price. ALL cars are on this principle, and i suspect if you told the right person at Citroen that 'it was totally random' then they would hit you with a book containing the exact specification of every BX ever made, and that a mighty big book.

To my knowledge, not one person has ever made a decent studay into XUD variations, and nore should they!

Also, 1.9TD BX's where all fitted with the same turbo, the totally non existent turbo, there is no such thing as a factory BX with a XUD9T engine. I think i made the very first one, follwed by Oily spanner, and a few others have since followed. The 1.9TD is simply the trim level of the car and NOT what is under the hood.
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Vanny wrote:there is no such thing as a factory BX with a XUD9T engine.
I agree 8)
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Tourist wrote:yet more dross.
You've completely missed the point. Either you are being completely bloody-minded, or are being a bit dim. I suspect the former.

Many of your posts have been exceptionally authoritarian about what the BX does and doesn't have, and just why things are as they are, and you have been wrong on almost every single count.

Subtle hints by other forum members appear to have been completely ignored, so I'm trying a less subtle approach: Please stop posting utter crap, and stop being so arrogant into the bargain.
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Hi, Tourist,
I do think David Rutherford and other forum members do have a point :!:

Without being rude to you I do think you need to do a bit more reading/research on some of the Technical matters before making posts !

I know some people slag off the Haynes Manual and even more so now with the 'Spanner rating' of how difficult a task might be !

But it's a good place to start for a new BX owner (You'll see why when you finish reading/deciphering this post) !

For example to put all this XUD's number's into the CORRECT context for standard factory fitted ^^bx> 's
(I know you were relating the to the type of Diesel Injection Pump which maybe fitted)
BUT you were quite clearly making reference to the XUD 9 engine type you quoted :-
Tourist wrote:
Of all the cars I've seen, when it comes to the XUD9 I've only ever seen Bosch in the turbos and Lucas in the others. Not that this matters ...
The following reference I have taken out of my 'Haynes' Citroen Diesel Engine Owner's Workshop Manual for the 1.7 and 1.9 units
(Book No. 1379 published in 1990):-

MODEL APPLICATION --------------------- ENGINE CODE/TYPE
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BX 17 -------------------------------------- XUD 7 (1769 cc) - (161A This relates to the inlet valve size)

BX 19 -------------------------------------- XUD 9 (1905 cc) - (162 This relates to the inlet valve size)

BX 19 (Models from April 1987) ------ XUD 9A (1905 cc) - (D9B This relates to the inlet valve size)

BX TURBO MODELS --------------------- XUD (?) (1769 cc) - (A8A This relates to the inlet valve size)

The (?) I've put question mark because the Haynes Manual does not state 7 or 9 , but personally I've always called the TURBO engine an XUD 7T For obvious reasons '7' (1769cc) and 'T' (for Turbo).

Also read through this thread again which you participated in and decipher it, it maybe of help :-

http://bxclub.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9983
Vanny wrote:Its dependant (like most cars) on target market, specification, date of conception, stock abundancy, and of course price. ALL cars are on this principle, and i suspect if you told the right person at Citroen that 'it was totally random' then they would hit you with a book containing the exact specification of every BX ever made, and that a mighty big book.

To my knowledge, not one person has ever made a decent studay into XUD variations, and nore should they!

Also, 1.9TD BX's where all fitted with the same turbo, the totally non existent turbo, there is no such thing as a factory BX with a XUD9T engine. I think i made the very first one, follwed by Oily spanner, and a few others have since followed. The 1.9TD is simply the trim level of the car and NOT what is under the hood.
Vanny I can confirm that I have seen a 1.9 TD BX but it was not a factory fitted unit (This was a least 17 years ago) ! It was an after market conversion which was carried out by some specialist in North Derbyshire and it did have an air cooled inter-cooler fitted to it which was positioned just behind the grill and in front of the main cooling radiator with lots of S/S and rubber pipework with S/S clips etc. holding it all together.
The chap that owned it and who popped the bonnet up to show all the pipework and turbo etc. said it was extremely rapid from
a standstill and had pulled easily over 125 mph indicated on the clock in it !

Vanny, how long ago did you do your conversion just out of interest and what was the performance like say compared to the factory XUD 7T unit ?
I think where a lot of confusion has been made over the years is when Citroen launched a BX 19 TZD Diesel (1990-92 'G' to 'J' reg.) hatchback only but with an auto option.

It's like you stated the 'TZD' bit put the spanner in the works and people, garages and even the local car auction got it completely wrong !

They all thought it had the 1.9 TD unit as which a the time had been fitted into the Pug 405 cars.
As I've only ever seen one BX badged up with '19 TZD' on it at Derby car auctions many moons ago (The write up on the windscreen had it listed as a 1.9 TD) and as it was all locked up prior to going under the hammer I only got about 4 to 5 minutes to pop the bonnet prior to the actual auction !

Up on looking under the bonnet I could confirm it had the all illusive none existence TURBO with absolutely no inter-cooler or associated pipework in it, just a standard N/A XUD 9 unit !
This information I conveyed immediately to the auctioneer who it turn informed this find/discovery to the punters over the tannoy prior to starting the auctioning.

Whilst I've been putting the above together (A good couple of hours of MY valuable time and I'd rather had gone to bed for a early night).
I see that more 'Fuel has been added to the fire' so I was not going to hit the submit button ! But having spent so much time on the post I WILL :!:


Just to finish on a light note !
Has anyone ever seen a Limited Edition BX 'Barracuda' the only one I've every seen and test driven was at the local main dealers but had a bit of scruffy interior at the time so I passed on it as it wasn't that cheap, but I'd did like the looks of it (this was in about 1990/91).

But from what I can remember it was based on a MK 2 1.9 RD in a Light Metallic blue, with a Babywalker type rear spoiler on the hatchback and it had this long pointy stuck on transfer/decal of a 'Barracuda' fish on each side from the front wing (nose of the Barracuda) and the tail somehow blending in with the Babywalker spoiler !
It would be nice if someone has a link to photo of one just to remind me of how it looked :?:
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Vanny wrote:Also, 1.9TD BX's where all fitted with the same turbo, the totally non existent turbo, there is no such thing as a factory BX with a XUD9T engine. I think i made the very first one, follwed by Oily spanner, and a few others have since followed. The 1.9TD is simply the trim level of the car and NOT what is under the hood.
I remember that car... I was there when you took it down the strip at Santa Pod 8)
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