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Has anyone any idea where i can get details on CO2 emissions for the TZD turbo diesel engine?.. In some form of official tech spec data sheet or something from citroen? I believe its 137g/km. Do citroen state this anywhere in any handbook or spec sheet?
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Why do you need it? Is the government in Eire banding tax by CO2 emissions for vehicles of all ages?
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You won't find it as it was never officially tested. Best you can do is find a modern diesel that has similar average MPG and take that figure as approximate. Given 45mpg, around 140 g/km seems about right.
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I'm going to re-register the car as Irish, its UK at the moment. It costs, but I do need to do it. The Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) is applied to all cars entering Ireland whether new or old and is calculated as a percentage of the 'Open Market Selling Price' of the vehicle. For new or newer cars this can be a hefty chunk - a good few thousand euro. New cars to buy are generally about a third more expensive over here. :roll: Fuel duty is less but that doesn't really cut it as an excuse. Most people agree its unfair. Anyway, on older cars, they seem to have a lower threshold for the Open Market Selling Price of €2000 for any car.. erm... be good if i got that for mine! And then the VRT is calculated as a percentage of that based on CO2 emissions - it used to be engine size but they've just changed it. for 137g/km its 16% , so €320. How the hell i can provide evidence of this though?? there are websites with data that they recognise as official but none of them extend to vehicles built before 2000 :roll: So i'm currently in correspondance with them about what to do, they don't seem to know at present!
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yeah heres the kicker.
yearly road tax
€551 for a 1.7 diesel engine! (and that is based on engine size)
Its just bloody expensive.
You see my mentality needs irish adjustment - wages are higher here and the cost of living is generally higher, i just can't shrug off thinking in pounds for some reason - and its been 4 years!

Still bloody expensive.
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motor tax is €1,120 for 2.5 L plus engine - €1,566 for anything over 3L !

But heres another kicker - anything more than 30 years old doesn't need an NCT (MOT) and the import VRT is set at €46 regardless of engine size.

Only in Ireland.
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'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
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Any news on this yet max?
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well, its proving difficult. They require the certificate of conformity from Citroen stating CO2 emissions, but i've phoned Citroen dealers here and in the UK and Citroen head office, they say CO2 emissions were not recorded for the BX :? Does anyone know where i can get some kind of official document from Citroen? I'm kind of stuck at the moment on it.
'92 16TXS (m), Dark metallic green, 74k
'90 16TZS (m), White, 86k
'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
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Post by MULLEY »

I'm a bit confused, if its a vehicle which pre-dates co2 emmission testing, how can they now want to know what it is, when no actual co2 records exist, as they werent required at the time the car was made?

I thought that pre 2001 diesel cars were just smoke tested, is there any form of emmission testing actually done?
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yeah its frustrating - basically they will charge me the maximum €720 and an appeal can be made if i can't get CO2 evidence. That is based on an open market selling price of €2000 for my car which can also be disputed in the appeal, which should be succesful i'd hope!. They recently changed it over from engine size, whereupon it would have been €315 for mine. I need to talk to them some more to be sure i'm not going to get stung. I'll let you know what happens...

It seems a big deterant to anyone considering importing an older vehicle into ireland, but i may be being cynical, i'll report my findings.

of course i could always bring it over to wales for an MOT and tax. might be bloody cheaper.
'92 16TXS (m), Dark metallic green, 74k
'90 16TZS (m), White, 86k
'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
'88 Saab 900 8v Turbo (auto) 107k Red with Tan leather, lovely drive and well maintained.
'07 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 CRDi 85k (m). Practical family wagon
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Post by jonathan_dyane »

Is there perhaps a way of getting the emissions of your actual car tested, and gain certification that way? I believe such a thing is possible in Germany...
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Germany is also a bureaucratic nightmare. I have had my emissions tested for the yellow 1.9D, after I'd fitted a Catalyser, to check they conform. I've actually got all the readings but this is post Catalyser fitting.

Would there be any advantage fitting a Catalyser in Ireland Max as regards to tax savings? They're available from 'Vitkus' here in Germany for your car. As I mentioned before, this Catalyser thing has finished here now with the result that I fitted another Catalyser to the silver TRD and it has not been validated. Now, I must take the one from the yellow, fit that, get it TÜV approved on the silver one if possible to pay the €320 lower tax. Argghh!

Without Catalyser it's €850 per year. I wonder if Germany and Ireland have a similar tax arrangement?

I could perhaps ask one of my friends here if he can access some Co2 data for your car via the German BX Club? I don't know if it's possible or even valid for your instance Max?
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Post by MULLEY »

You would have thought that an older diesel car could be tested just the same as a modern car? Best to stick a load of bio-diesel in the old gal & give it a damn good thrashing before getting the co2 reading. I bet it would be quite low.
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1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN

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if i can get it tested myself, that would be the way to go.
this site http://www.ultimatespecs.com/index.php? ... 3&car=4086 states its 137g/km, but the Revenue here only accept data from particular sources, none of which have info for cars made before 2000. They won't accept this site, so unless i can get a cert of conformity for the model, which i don't think had the CO2 emissions recorded anyway in the early 90s, i'll have to get it done myself. Does anyone know the procedure? what kind of companies do emissions tests in the UK or Germany?

otherwise the registration 'tax' is more than double and i have to appeal afterwards, which i'm not keen on doing.
'92 16TXS (m), Dark metallic green, 74k
'90 16TZS (m), White, 86k
'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
'88 Saab 900 8v Turbo (auto) 107k Red with Tan leather, lovely drive and well maintained.
'07 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 CRDi 85k (m). Practical family wagon
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i've just been fiddling with the VRT calculator website and i presumed they wouldn't have CO2 information for any BX model, but low and behold they actually do! for a TZD turbo 'hatchback'. Well come on mines not a million miles off. They shouldn't notice, there are no BXs on the roads over here. 141g/km (just over the threshold of 140) so another €80, €400 in total. But i do run the risk of having it compounded and fined if i don't re-register, and at least i get a couple of years with not having to NCT(MOT) it.

I will then appeal the €2000 open market selling price they have on their system and get it reduced to the minumum (€315) hopefully, which is what i'd factored in as having to pay in the first place.

This should work, the print out from the VRT calculator site is valid evidence.

I'll let you know how i get on.
'92 16TXS (m), Dark metallic green, 74k
'90 16TZS (m), White, 86k
'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
'88 Saab 900 8v Turbo (auto) 107k Red with Tan leather, lovely drive and well maintained.
'07 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 CRDi 85k (m). Practical family wagon
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