Mileage Recorder

rhv100 · Post by **rhv100** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:58 pm

Afternoon all,

Before I bodge in with a screwdriver and fubar the unit,can anyone tell me how to alter the numbers on the milage recorder{BX19} I have
dismantled the speedo from the rest of the clocks and tentatively tried
to turn them,but they seem locked.
Anybody done this before? Appreciate any help.

Richard

prm · Post by **prm** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:15 pm

Why ??????

Father Ted · Post by **Father Ted** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:20 pm

Cos its a minter, innit? One owner from new Guv, genuine low milage just a little old lady who went to church and back every Sunday, I got all the old MOT's too and a new one, just waiting for the ink to dry....

Done this once or twice on bike speedos when i have been replacing the clocks and if memory serves they are locked with the little gear wheel from the head unit. I think IIRC the Hondas speedo span freely when I nudged the 10K didgit over to the left - this let the others spin. Of course it may not work like that on the BX one

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:52 pm

as per Prm above

prm · Post by **prm** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:32 pm

Father Ted – Nice one Sunshine!!

Yes it can be very easily done my son, but it will cost you a Pony

Post by **mat_fenwick** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:32 pm

I've adjusted mileage once before - my speedo cable snapped while on holiday so I calculated a rough mileage that I travelled before I could replace it, and wound the speedo over with an electric drill. Took a few hous mind...

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:48 pm

Theres two trains of thought here

A, The person wants to defraud the purchaser of a Car they are selling by making it look better than it is

OR

B, The BX gremlin struck which is not unheard of (happened twice to me) where the Odometer has done a leap for no apparant reason. LIke for me it was going up a hill thats only half mile and covered 120,000 miles to get up the hill

Can be done I did it to my latest BX when I tried to swap the barrell to a new head. By accident it now shows 60,000km instead of 190,000

But all said and done it will show up on your DVLA History I assume now its all computerised? Well it does here theres even a public website to check this crap!
Heres mine

Reading Date Source or reason Usage (avg), /day/year
63,799 2009, March 30th WOF inspection 12.18/4,434
61,582 2008, September 29th WOF inspection odometer decrease -121,866.00
183,448 2008, March 26th WOF inspection no travel for 1 day
183,448 2008, March 25th WOF inspection 26.68/9,713
178,566 2007, September 24th WOF inspection 871.05/317,064
17,421 2007, March 23rd WOF inspection odometer decrease -152,482.00
169,903 2006, September 16th WOF inspection 4.96/1,806
168,980 2006, March 14th WOF inspection 3.52/1,282
168,434 2005, October 10th WOF inspection 7.06/2,568
167,143 2005, April 10th WOF inspection 7.80/2,841
165,590 2004, September 23rd WOF inspection 19.86/7,229
162,194 2004, April 5th WOF inspection 20.83/7,584
158,422 2003, October 7th WOF inspection 17.49/6,368
155,134 2003, April 2nd WOF inspection 45.66/16,621
146,732 2002, September 30th WOF inspection 32.98/12,006
141,059 2002, April 11th WOF inspection 47.12/17,152
131,682 2001, September 24th WOF inspection 33.27/12,111
130,584 2001, August 22nd WOF inspection 37.57/13,677
123,669 2001, February 19th WOF inspection 57.81/21,043
111,647 2000, July 26th WOF inspection 43.72/15,915
105,830 2000, March 15th WOF inspection 54.23/19,740
97,153 1999, October 7th WOF inspection 22.46/8,175
95,155 1999, July 10th WOF inspection 36.49/13,282
87,710 1998, December 18th WOF inspection 44.03/16,026
70,891 1997, December 1st WOF inspection 51.13/18,612
51,717 1996, November 21st WOF inspection 105.36/38,352
31,913 1996, May 17th WOF inspection 30.47/11,091
21,035 1995, May 26th WOF inspection 53.20/19,364
10,606 1994, November 11th as at change of owner 3.74/1,360
9,840 1994, April 20th as at change of owner

Note the fatty Freddy wof (MOT) tester in 2007

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:11 pm

I changed the speedo in my tzd, but i did take off the original barrel showing the correct mileage & substituted it onto the replacement so the car does show the correct mileage.

I wouldnt have thought anyone would go to the hassle of messing about with a bx, not much difference in value if its got 50k or 150k imho, but no doubt there probably quite a few dicks winding the clocks back to make a few hundred quid on each motor they sell.

rhv100 · Post by **rhv100** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:38 am

Ive had this car for 7 years.It isnt for sale,nor will it ever be.
My speedo has failed and I have another one to replace it with 120000 less miles on the clock.
I could just put it in as is I suppose and kid myself and anybody else,
But I just want to continue with the original mileage
I resent the implied criminality by people who dont know me.As you say,
the records can be checked anyway and why woould I want to clock a
15 year old car? All I want to do is preserve as much of the cars
originality as possible.
Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions.

Richard

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:56 am

So you felt that way about the criminal implications, think you will find that I did semi understand your reasoning despite the fact you did not make it clear the reasoning you wanted to change the odometer reading.

Heck mate just look at my mileage log and you will see I am a criminal to

My reasoning for this was simple! The speedo I have shows a 10% error meaning I should be reading 10% higher anyways plus it took my error for speeding ticket to the bare minimum. ie 10kph faster

What I did was like you put in another speedo the problem for me was it was 100k more so I swapped the barrel one snag it was the wrong speedo make for my car despite coming from another BX! In swapping back the barrel I dropped it and the result was corrupted mileage

Like yourself I like to keep track of my mileage for fuel records etc

Lucky I did not have a Diesel over here there is no tax at the pump you have to buy a block of Mileage! Basically it would mean either A, I would be forced to pay for what I had not used or B, Done for evading the Road User Charge.

If your not planning to sell the car dont worry about it.

DLM · Post by **DLM** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:52 am

I wouldn't feel too hard done by on the response rhv100. You've had a bit of leg-pulling, nothing more.

This forum is viewable by the any internet user and indexed by search engines. Posting a reply directly could allow someone, somewhere to change the mileage on a BX. Other things have been pulled or edited here before now for containing BX-related information that could be useful to someone acting with criminal intent.

Speaking personally, I've owned at least 2 BX's (out of 10 or so) where the service history has clearly shown that a new speedo has been fitted in the first few years of ownership, and at least one where the speedo failed in my ownership. That leaves plenty of margin for it to happen once or more in the life of a car (not to mention any other possibilities). I still have suspicions that the first BX I ran - bought many years ago under the Citroen-approved-used scheme of the time, was possibly clocked before its second owner (a policeman!) acquired it.

A mileage has been taken at MOT in the UK since MOT records were computerised, but I'd still not take any quoted mileage on a BX as gospel unless there's plenty to back it up - including condition of the car. There's a big grey area, mileage-wise, on most BXs - even those with some old MOTs and history.

Incidentally, I do know of a someone else's BX where the lower speedo cable (or the gearbox end of things) broke, and it was driven that way for several years without it being repaired. The MOT doesn't require that speedo operation be checked. Thinking again, I'm pretty sure that this particular car was sold on with this fault clearly stated but ended up on ebay after a change of ownership....

Post by **docchevron** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:52 pm

rhv100 wrote:Ive had this car for 7 years.It isnt for sale,nor will it ever be.
My speedo has failed and I have another one to replace it with 120000 less miles on the clock.
I could just put it in as is I suppose and kid myself and anybody else,
But I just want to continue with the original mileage
I resent the implied criminality by people who dont know me.As you say,
the records can be checked anyway and why woould I want to clock a
15 year old car? All I want to do is preserve as much of the cars
originality as possible.
Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions.

Richard

Dont take it personally mate.
I've replaced three speedos in the TD, so it currently reads less than 100000 miles, even though it's done just a bit shy of 1,000,000 miles, although I do have the old failed heads in stock!

Easiest way is to as Mulley suggests, just remove the entire mileage drum from the original head and clip it into the new head.
No tools required, it just clips in.

prm · Post by **prm** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:57 pm

As DLM mentioned – Just BX Banter.

Not sure what type of head unit you’ve got, also, if all BX odometers are the same make.

A few general pointers that may help??

With the unit horizontal, lowest mileage indicator to the right.
On the left of each numbered wheel there should be a small lobe/tooth that latches with the idler gear on each revolution, which in turn, advances the adjacent wheel by one tooth. This operation is carried out through to all numbered wheels.

With a thin blade inserted between the idler gears. If possible, gently lever the idler gear away from the wheel you wish to alter. This should disengage the idler pinion gear from the teeth attached to the right of each numbered wheel.

Start with the wheel on the left first, and then work your way along.
If you find insufficient free-play between the series of idler gears, try moving the wheel away from the idler.

Regards

Vanny · Post by **Vanny** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:13 pm

Mat you must have been seriously bored! My odo is missing about 7,000 miles, snapped cable, and later a jammed speedo drive, can i be bothered to change it, NOPE! Last one that i changed the numbers on, the third digit in sat slightly lower than the rest, annoying as hell it was, vowed never to mess with them again!

rhv100 · Post by **rhv100** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:24 pm

As you see Ive not taken it too much to heart...and Ive found a minder!!

Ive also got him a Capri........".one careful lady owner and very low
mileage,my son"

As it happens I do have exactly that..one lady owner (my old Ma) and
VERY low mileage D reg and 9100 from new,so you see sometimes it
really is true!!

Thanks for the help.

Richard