FITTING A TURBO!

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FITTING A TURBO!

Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:11 pm

I love my TZD, and its in great nick, but its a tad slow being a 19d, whats the cost and implications of fitting a 1.9TD engine and box from a PUG or a ZX etc?

Any ideas?

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Post by Stinkwheel » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:13 pm

am i being thick or have you transplanted a non turbo into a TZD?

The implications are it would get faster.
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Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:34 pm

Mines a 19TZD non turbo. Not a 17TZD TURBO.

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Post by Stewart (oily!) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:35 pm

Hi Tim, you will be missing quite a lot of bits and pieces, pipework, radiator expansion bottle, intercooler etc, I would first of all suggest you find a breaking TZD Turbo, then a 1.9 td from somewhere and fit all of the neccesaries, its possible and tha parts bill wouldnt be too feirce but the labour would be a bit big IMHO.
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Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:35 pm

Would I need to change brakes/suspension components wiring etc? And how bigger job is it?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Post by Stewart (oily!) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:45 pm

No tim brakes are standard apart from the 16 Valver but you will need the engine gearbox, cooling system, intercooler, lots of pipework, I suggest you get hold of an underbonnet picture of a TZD and look at the differences, they are many.
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Post by jeremy » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:52 pm

Brakes - easy - All BX have the same brake pads. Calipers are the same except for the 16 valve which has ventilated fronts and wider calipers.

Suspension - spheres are different - rest the same except for the anti-roll bars - front is different - not sure about rear.

TD has different exhaust (back same as 16 valve but longer tailpipe for Estate)

Wiring I would have thought was the same as no additional electrics (apart from possibly rev counter pickup and the use of a later electric cold start device)

Cooling is a bit different with expensive braided hoses and the largest rad you have ever seen with a 16 valve header in the centre.

1.7 TD engine should go in without problems. 1.9 from Xantia has hydraulic pump on auxillary drive belt at cambelt end of the engine. Its probably easier to keep the BX pump location and even use the BX TD camshaft which would of course have to be shimmed. May be possible to do something else but be careful - certainly on ZX 1.9D the injection pump is in a slightly different place.

Clutch cable is unique to TD and 16 valve as MAY be driveshafts but this is complicated by ABS.

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Post by Stewart (oily!) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:14 pm

You are best with the high strength driveshafts from TD or GTI, as you dont have ABS any of them will do, your spheres will do until replacement time, I went the route of modifying the camshaft to use the BX pump arrangement, If you do the same then your existing pump etc will be fine, next time I may use a BX cam/head to simplify it. The Exhaust as Jeremy says is different, a good starting place would be to cannibalise a TZD, then find a good 1.9 and start swapping the parts, there is quite a lot more work than just an engine swap though.
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Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:33 pm

Wow! Think I will keep it as is and learn to drive slower!

Thanks for all your advice, not being technically minded and being unable to do the work myself it looks as if were talking ALOT of money!

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Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:34 pm

Or I could just by a TZD Turbo! Lol and upset her indoors even more with ANOTHER car!

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Post by stuart_hedges » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:10 pm

You're right Tim - the non turbo 19 IS slow! I don't mind though; it makes the car very laid-back (especially with those comfy leather seats).

So why the hell am I paying more on insurance than I was on the old Passat GL5? Now that was quick!

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Post by tim leech » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:24 pm

I found with K988PUY if you drive everywhere with your foot buried on the carpet it does go ok! lol Fastest one Ive ever had was that TGD auto that kens mate had, was much quicker than the othere two.

I guess its because im used to modern cars and my 140bhp TDi Golf that is stupidly quick!

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Post by Ian_Fearn » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:53 pm

Tim sell ME the TZD and get yourself a Turbo. :D
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Post by cavmad » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:55 pm

Get it on vege oil Tim, I swear mine goes loads faster now and a constant good thrashing has helped it no end too :D
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Post by Stewart (oily!) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:56 pm

Tim there must be something wrong with my TZDs handling, I just tried a journey with my foot buried in the carpet BLOODY SCARY! :D :D
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