suspension problem 16v
-
- Confirmed BX'er
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:41 pm
suspension problem 16v
Hi all just gettinng my H reg 16v back on road after several years parked, however having fixed water leak and fluid issues ie was not holding any liquids. I have another issue with the rear suspension been stuck on one side it refuses to even out. I am not technically minded in relation to the working of the system. Presume it may be a problem with the sphere or something. Any help appreciated.
Re: suspension problem 16v
i have never seen a hydraulic citroen with a stuck cylinder,
i would be inclined to raise it up fully then lower it fully several times
how long was she parked up for
regards malcolm
i would be inclined to raise it up fully then lower it fully several times
how long was she parked up for
regards malcolm
curent ride
K reg BX 17TD TZD est
also own
K reg D special
no longer have
H reg CX saffari 2.5 TRI (now gone to Malaysia)
R reg xantia 1.9TD est (gone to meet its maker)
K reg BX 17TD TZD est
also own
K reg D special
no longer have
H reg CX saffari 2.5 TRI (now gone to Malaysia)
R reg xantia 1.9TD est (gone to meet its maker)
- Vanny
- Merseyside resident
- Posts: 3581
- Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 11:48 pm
- Location: BXProject
- My Cars: BX 16v Ph2 - Jazz
BX 16v Ph2 - XPO - x 79
- Contact:
Re: suspension problem 16v
Terminal arm bearing failure stopping the arm rotating perhaps?
-
- Over 2k
- Posts: 6417
- Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:36 pm
- Location: Fareham, Hants
- My Cars: Too many to list
- x 88
- Contact:
Re: suspension problem 16v
Very odd. Anti roll bar would try to lift .v slightly. I'd jack it up and cycle it a few times, but I've never seen one jammed.
One third of a three-spoke BX columnist team for the Citroenian magazine.
CCC BX registrar: The national BX register - click to submit a car!
1983(A) 16TRS (Rouge Valleunga)
1990(H) 16Valve (Rouge Furio)
CCC BX registrar: The national BX register - click to submit a car!
1983(A) 16TRS (Rouge Valleunga)
1990(H) 16Valve (Rouge Furio)
-
- Confirmed BX'er
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:41 pm
Re: suspension problem 16v
It has been parked a couple of years but was turned over frequently. Cheers for advice will try later.
- Stinkwheel
- 1K Away
- Posts: 1516
- Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:38 pm
- Location: In front of this flamin' PC
Re: suspension problem 16v
Im confused by this, even with a non working suspension cylinder hydraulic citroens would still get up both sides by virtue of self levelling right?
We have all seen the GS and DS and even BX and CX do the 3 wheel driving trick, so im going for terminally failed and seized rear arm bearing also, as this, i think, would be the only way it wouldnt get up on one side even with no hydraulic assistance to that corner.
We have all seen the GS and DS and even BX and CX do the 3 wheel driving trick, so im going for terminally failed and seized rear arm bearing also, as this, i think, would be the only way it wouldnt get up on one side even with no hydraulic assistance to that corner.
Doctor Of Gonzo Journalism!!!
93 BX TZD Estate
90 BX 14TE St Tropez
93 BX 19 TXD Estate
92 BX 16TXi
77 Ami 8 Break
79 Acadiane
81 Dyane6
84 2CV6
85 GSA saloon rally car
To slightly mis-quote Kitch ... "BX 14. They're just brilliant!"
93 BX TZD Estate
90 BX 14TE St Tropez
93 BX 19 TXD Estate
92 BX 16TXi
77 Ami 8 Break
79 Acadiane
81 Dyane6
84 2CV6
85 GSA saloon rally car
To slightly mis-quote Kitch ... "BX 14. They're just brilliant!"
- mat_fenwick
- Moderator
- Posts: 7326
- Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:08 pm
- Location: North Wales
- x 19
Re: suspension problem 16v
I doubt very much whether it's the case in this instance, but problems with the front suspension can appear to be affecting the rear. I had a front drop link pop out last year (accompanied by a loud bang, and annoyingly only a month after fitting) which meant that the front suspension on that side was trying to raise to full height. Consequently the diagonally opposite rear appeared to be very low.
I really can't see how the cylinder would seize and even if the pushrod snapped the piston would extend and you'd have a noticeable high pressure leak. So another vote for seized bearing here but even so the two arms are (should be?) linked by the anti roll bar as Kitch stated. So any difference in the two sides will be limited by the twist the ARB is capable of. What happens when you put it on high - is there any movement at all from the problem side?
I really can't see how the cylinder would seize and even if the pushrod snapped the piston would extend and you'd have a noticeable high pressure leak. So another vote for seized bearing here but even so the two arms are (should be?) linked by the anti roll bar as Kitch stated. So any difference in the two sides will be limited by the twist the ARB is capable of. What happens when you put it on high - is there any movement at all from the problem side?
-
- Confirmed BX'er
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:41 pm
Re: suspension problem 16v
It is currently on the back of a pick up. I will be at it tomo afternoon so will let you know, appreciate the thoughts though.
-
- Confirmed BX'er
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:41 pm
Re: suspension problem 16v
Well just had interesting call from friend who has the bx, apparently it has levelled off with one hell of a bang like a shot gun. Appears to have Solved itself, hope so anyway, looking forward to taking her for a spin later. Prayerscare being said been a long time.
-
- BXpert
- Posts: 582
- Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:15 am
- Location: East London
- My Cars: 1991 Citroen BX 16v
- x 26
Re: suspension problem 16v
If it fixed itself with a shotgun esque bang I'd be careful when you take it for a spin!
1991 Citroen BX 16v
-
- Over 2k
- Posts: 2695
- Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:54 pm
- Location: South Lincs
- My Cars: 90 Bx Tzd turbo ven red 295k
74 D Super 5 black
05 Volvo V50 2.0d 180k
65 Peugeot Boxer work van 280k - x 136
Re: suspension problem 16v
if the rear bearings are shot you will hear a pinging or knocking/grinding/squeaking when bounced up and down, it could be an internally shattered sphere, uncommon but does happen, also worth checking the condition of the rear hydraulic cylinders as these can stick due to rust on the rams and ultimately causing a leak.
90 BX Tzd turbo 294k SORN undergoing major surgery
90 BX Tzd turbo estate 46k awaiting surgery
65 Peugeot Boxer Van the new workhorse
52 Toyota Rav4 180k Bulletproof Jap reliability
90 BX Tzd turbo estate 46k awaiting surgery
65 Peugeot Boxer Van the new workhorse
52 Toyota Rav4 180k Bulletproof Jap reliability
- MULLEY
- Over 2k
- Posts: 8406
- Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:10 pm
- Location: Derbyshire
- My Cars: 1999 Xsara LX 2.0HDI (90) Hatch - Fern
2002 C5 2.0 HDI (110) Estate - Jasmine - SORN
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - SORN
1992 TZD Turbo Estate - SORN
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired - SORN
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN - x 8
Re: suspension problem 16v
Shotgun sound, erm, that sounds bad, please check underneath before driving & take it bloody steady, something may have broken & you could suddenly find yourself going off the road or heading into oncoming traffic.
2002 C5 2.0 HDI Estate - Jasmine - Now SORN
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
-
- Confirmed BX'er
- Posts: 34
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:41 pm
Re: suspension problem 16v
Well took the beloved bx out for a spin all is well with the suspension, however despite fixing 2 water leaks it appears not to be holding any still. It is fine when not driving, no visible leaks but once driving it overheats almost immediately. Looks like another weekend under her. The perils of leaving her sitting for so long.
Perished pipes maybe to blame as both replaced pipes where very bad.
Perished pipes maybe to blame as both replaced pipes where very bad.
- MULLEY
- Over 2k
- Posts: 8406
- Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:10 pm
- Location: Derbyshire
- My Cars: 1999 Xsara LX 2.0HDI (90) Hatch - Fern
2002 C5 2.0 HDI (110) Estate - Jasmine - SORN
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - SORN
1992 TZD Turbo Estate - SORN
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired - SORN
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN - x 8
Re: suspension problem 16v
Does the suspension appear to be reasonably soft on all 4 corners?
2002 C5 2.0 HDI Estate - Jasmine - Now SORN
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
Re: suspension problem 16v
Do not let her overheat! As they say on this Forum the red lamp of death! If the 16v has sleeved in liners like a lot of the other petrols there are sealing 'O' rings under the liner head and these 'cook' within only a few degrees of the red light coming on, and then require replacement...... you get the picture. Hopefully the leak is not a head gasket, check for steam in the exhaust when warm if poss.
My old 1.6 after 4 years rose up fine, a bit groany on the front struts but otherwise almost like normal. Mind you that was to full height . Also I'd done complete new trailing arm kit (bearings, seals etc) on her a few years back and put in better grease than Citroen.
Rear arm bearings if truly disintegrated ie needles rusted in place might just make that 'bang' or maybe a bladder in a sphere, but I've not witnessed the latter. Hell of a creaking with dry disintegrated arm bearings but usually you can see the splay / \ of the wheels. Check the photo of Caffiends new green hatch!
My old 1.6 after 4 years rose up fine, a bit groany on the front struts but otherwise almost like normal. Mind you that was to full height . Also I'd done complete new trailing arm kit (bearings, seals etc) on her a few years back and put in better grease than Citroen.
Rear arm bearings if truly disintegrated ie needles rusted in place might just make that 'bang' or maybe a bladder in a sphere, but I've not witnessed the latter. Hell of a creaking with dry disintegrated arm bearings but usually you can see the splay / \ of the wheels. Check the photo of Caffiends new green hatch!