TXD turbo?

YorkieTXD · Post by **YorkieTXD** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:22 pm

Hi has anyone ever added a turbo on to a 93 19 TXD? Is it possible anyone know?

Or any other alternatives to get a bit more pick up? I had an 88 19 rd and it was a lot more faster. Im guessing the new Xantia engine and the cat is making the difference.

help

Post by **Tim Leech** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:46 pm

There should be no difference between a 19RD and 19TXD in performance as the engines are the same. Maybe that yours needs a good service and some work to the injectors/pump timing etc. No BX diesels ever had a "cat" as in catalyst fitted if thats what you mean.

Alternativly you could fit a 1.7TD engine from a scrapper if you can find one.

Tourist · Post by **Tourist** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:49 pm

Putting a turbo into a car with a n/a engine is definitely not cost-effective, but if you're thinking more along the lines of an engine transplant then that's a better idea. You could never get the BX with a 1.9 TD but if I'm right a few members on here have tried it, their advice would be best

YorkieTXD · Post by **YorkieTXD** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:56 pm

Roverman wrote:There should be no difference between a 19RD and 19TXD in performance as the engines are the same. Maybe that yours needs a good service and some work to the injectors/pump timing etc. No BX diesels ever had a "cat" as in catalyst fitted if thats what you mean.

Alternativly you could fit a 1.7TD engine from a scrapper if you can find one.

ah thats good to know, about the cat, it was just a presumption. yeah maybe just a good service. or maybe the rd was such a long time ago and i had just come from a mini 1000 that i didnt know anybetter.

so its obviously not that common someone putting a turbo on to the 1.9 engine. presumably the turbo off the 1.7 would not be compatible?

Post by **Tim Leech** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:37 pm

The 1.7TD and 1.9TD engines are quite different to their non turbo counterparts, they are strengthened, have different cylinder heads, gearboxes, cooling systems, exhaust etc etc. I would try geting it serviced and set up properly and if its still not fast enough maybe swop it for a TXD/TZD turbo as it would be far cheaper and easier.

Welcome to the forum and keep us updated to see if the service helps, my friend recently bought a 1988 19RD and it was woefully slow, a good service, some injector cleaner and good long runs with the "taps open" has made a HUGE difference.

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:56 pm

The n/a engines have a different setup including cam etc that you'd need to change. You'd also need manifolds, ducting, intercooler, radiator, gearbox (for correct ratios), exhaust....

In other words, buy a TD BX. They're not expensive! In fact theres a smart Hurricane in the for sale section

Personally having driven both I'd keep it N/A, but thats just my preference.

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:10 pm

Sounding obvious, have you checked the air filter, it might be very old, a replacement should perk things up a bit. An oil change if its long overdue, again will help with speed/acceleration.

Try those 1st before going down the injector cleaning route as i'm not 100% convinced that those bottles when added to derv do anything. Might be best to try some of that fancy high octane derv instead & give the car an itialian tune up

Let us know how you get on, is there plenty of black smoke coming out of the exhaust when you floor the beast?

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:28 pm

If anything theres a chance the early 88 19RD should have been slower, as it could have been an early square port engine (only maybe, not sure when they were replaced by the oval port but exactly but I know it was around then)

Or was oval older and square newer? Can't remember. All I know is that there was about 5bhp or so in it and the later ones have a square type intake box on top of the rocker cover.
We've got a '89 19RD later type and while it's no flying machine, it does always give 100%. Hit the ton a few times in it and it's fast enough for modern traffic.....just

toddao · Post by **toddao** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:55 pm

Tim wrote

No BX diesels ever had a "cat" as in catalyst fitted if thats what you mean

I've got two BX diesels with Cats, though not factory of course - my fitments to save €€€s on tax

My '86 1.9 goes like the wind ( Ok, like a gentle breeze) my '85 not so much but now I've got used to it and drive like a Grandad (with wind)..

RxBX · Post by **RxBX** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:30 am

Further to KITCH'S comment on the square port or oval port HE'S correct

I'm NOT sure which porting gave more BHP power I'd have to look into it to be 100% sure (It is getting rather late to look up all my data just @ mo)

But from memory the MK1 19RD units had a stated 65 BHP, 0-60 in 15.4 sec's and a top speed of 98MPH.

The MK2 (April 1987>) 19 RD units had a stated 68.5 BHP and a top speed of 103 MPH.
(These figures are for the hatchback models the estates were slightly slower).

I'm NOT 100% sure but they MAY have pushed the BHP output to 72 BHP on the very later/last models with the rectangular air filter box

Also the XUD9 1905cc lump started out life in a Talbot Horizon and also the Peugeot 305 with only something like 62 BHP

But as I said earlier I'd have to find my data sheets and its getting late, so if someones has time please correct me if I'M wrong (for info 1 HP = 0.746 KW)

Regards

Post by **docchevron** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:27 am

Kitch was right before he corrected himself!

The early engines had square ports, and the very early square ports had no valve stem seals either.

Later engines had oval ports and a bit more oomph.

Post by **Tim Leech** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:55 am

Having looked at me mates 19RD we think its the later type as it has the different air ducting and the rectangular filter in the ns inner wing compared the earlier round cylinder type.

YorkieTXD · Post by **YorkieTXD** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:56 am

well, jesus, thanks for all this help!

i suppose i should just stick to the txd. i certainly havent given it a service yet (only had it two weeks) but will be doing it shortly.

It is the 71bhp that i have now, what my 88 rd was i dont know, but the airboxes are different.

no black smoke coming out actually. it is probably running as good as it could, maybe i am just use to modern petrol engines.

will let you know how my service helps.

thanks again!

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:55 am

Start with the easy bits - is the throttle opening fully when the pedal is on the floor? Is the pedal floppy - then its bracket has broken off and must be re-fixed - very common.

RxBX · Post by **RxBX** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:06 pm

jeremy wrote:Start with the easy bits - is the throttle opening fully when the pedal is on the floor? Is the pedal floppy - then its bracket has broken off and must be re-fixed - very common.

Spot on Jeremy

(I was going to write that up in my previous posting, but as it was getting very late and I was tired by then)

I had that problem on a MK1 19RD that I bought but never really used it that much as my lady friend used it as a stop gap at the time and I then scrapped it as it needed a lot of welding and an MOT.

I'd got my fairly newish 17 DTR turbo at the time and then I had a TZD (So in my introduction when I stated I ran couple of Diesels a while ago really could have been three).

Anyhow the MK1 19RD was pretty slow in comparison to the 17 DTR turbo which you'd expect but it was REALLY REALLY slow.
So on one occasion whilst driving it, not long after purchasing it I was traveling on a dual carriage with no traffic about and as I'm quite tall managed with the pedal to the metal I put my hand down to the accelerator and felt the throttle cable and gave it a good pull. Well all of a sudden there was this amazing increase in power

I almost ended up on the back seat (Not really but it did fling me hard back into the drivers seat)

On inspection of the pedal box bracket assy. it was all cracked down one side and the cable end had been bodged up with some sort of clip from a curtain rail and insulation tape to try and take up the cable slack it was and absolute mess to say the least

I removed the bracket and welded it up and the outer clutch cable holding bracket (Explained in the following notes) put it all back,
set the cable clearances up etc. as required at the pump and it was then 100% spot on with no problems

Also take NOTE that mainly on MK1 pedal box assy. the clutch OUTER cable holding bracket was only spot welded to the the main bracket pressing and used to TEAR away giving a 'feeling' of a low/worn clutch operation

modified them on the MK2 and the spares/replacement units by an additional 3 small fillet welds on three sides of the outer clutch cable holding bracket.

So 'YorkieTXD' as Jeremy stated 'Start with the easy' items to check, BUT obviously DONOT attempt doing it the way I found out about this problem

Check it whilst engine is OFF get some to sit in the car to press the accelerator 'pedal to the metal' and then inspect the throttle cable @ the pump end (Carb/injection on petrol models) to see if your getting a 100% activation

I hope this helps, if you need a good pedal box assy.

PM me I may have a spare one.
Cheers