4x4 exhaust?

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4x4 exhaust?

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Post by Philip Chidlow » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:13 pm

A rare find indeed. It was mainly sourcing an exhaust in the sub £400 bracket that stopped anyone taking on a 4x4 at my local scrappers, I'm sure.

The club should maybe consider buying this for a pattern... I don't know how we'd go about that! :? Trouble is, someone's going to really want that - I wouldn't be suprised to see the price go through the roof.
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Post by cavmad » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:51 am

I think Ian (Fearn) priced up having an exhaust made for a 4x4 and I don`t think it was too expensive even in stainless.
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:29 am

Oh. If that's the case, Billy, I stand corrected. :D
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Post by cavmad » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:40 am

So do I to be fair Philip, but I`m sure Ian can confirm or deny this. Buying it for the club or one of getting it an having patters made would be an excellent idea.
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Post by Ian_Fearn » Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:07 pm

It was about £250ish from PD Goughs in mild steel, about 100quid ish more in stainless.

Bearing in mind a standard GTi front pipe is well over £100 as an aftermarket part, the 4x4 exhaust isnt a worry.

I've got a genuine 4x4 exhaust in my garage as a pattern should anybody need one making up.
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:31 pm

I believe the BX club should be considering the future as much as today's issues with running a BX. After all there is going to come a time when the availability of parts starts to dry up, good examples become increasingly rare and the cost of a (non-enthusiast maintained) BX becomes untenable. So we (as a whole) ought to consider that in two or three year's time there may well be half as many BX's on the road as today. Just a thought :)
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Post by jeremy » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:23 pm

Here we go!

The BX club has grown from a group of enthusiasts who inhabited the Andyspares Citroen board. Through a jittery GSF directror the board was closed and this board and the French Car Forum have arisen.

There was some discussion some time ago as to what form this board and the club should take and I think I can summarise the discussion by saying that after a thorough and accurate discussion it was decided that the 'Club' should continue as this internet board and if members decided to meet informally - well it would happen.
(The background to this is simply the possibility of legal responsibility for club organisers {term deliberately loose} should events be organised.)

My own view is that this club is excellent in its current form. It cannot aim to save all possible examples of the BX for posterity - if posterity really wants the things they will have to pay. If it gets down the road of owning vehicles we need a proper legal basis - ltd co or similar with directors, paid auduitors etc - which means a membership who can vote - and rows etc.

Much the same will happpen if the 'Club' tries to hold a stock of spares (we'll never have what members want, have too much of consumables that can be bought cheaper locally, and cost money as a storeman and premises will have to be provided.)

On this site we have a membership of about 300, of whom I suppose 100 might pay for something on a good day (No I don't want a list) £50 is more than the subscription tro most clubs - so what could be done with £5000 - and I'd suggest very little that would be of use to us while ensuring a proper commercial remuneration for whoever does the work/provides the premises.

BX is a nice car that provides us with a lot of fun. Lets remain a group of friends who have the cars and the internet in common, some of whom occasionally meet informally. Obviously we are not all going to agree with what others do all the time - but our disputes are relatively few and after all its only an old car at the end of it.

So I cay more of the same - and don't complicate it by suggestions that 'The Club' has has an obligation to intervene in the inevietable demise of an interesting car.

Jon and the moderators - I hope I'm not speaking out of turn.

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Post by cavmad » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:36 pm

Jeremy whilst I can see some of your points there, and I certainly don`t want to appear offensive, I wonder if you`ve gone a bit `o.t.t.` there mate?
I don`t think anyone suggesting that `the club` try and save every possible BX or that anyone`s talking about some sort of mass accumulation of spare parts.
My interpretation is that it was suggested someone should perhaps get some pattern exhausts made for future use as they`re hard enough to get hold of as it is, I don`t think anyone`s talking about taking a warehouse on and staffing it. I believe Philip`s suggestion is eminently worthwhile, how long before certain parts are unobtainable and some real rarities are lost?
God alone knows how many BX 4x4`s are left, someone trying to organise a way of re-manafacturing some very hard to find parts should be applauded.
I realise that the issue(s) about this being a sort of `limited company` club were raised and most of us will recall the last time this was brought up and respect Jon`s previous notes on this.
I`m not altogether sure where you`re coming from with 100 members at £50 each sorry and the amount of capital mentioned (£5000)?

"BX is a nice car that provides us with a lot of fun. Lets remain a group of friends who have the cars and the internet in common, some of whom occasionally meet informally. Obviously we are not all going to agree with what others do all the time - but our disputes are relatively few and after all its only an old car at the end of it.

So I cay more of the same - and don't complicate it by suggestions that 'The Club' has has an obligation to intervene in the inevietable demise of an interesting car".



I don`t see that anyone wants to change the fact that we`re a group of friends with common interests, but completely agree that we get on well and long may it continue.
As regards your last paragraph `don`t complicate it by suggestions...` I have to say I think that sounds a little O.T.T.

Let`s get on with enjoying the BX and enjoying this forum, I`m sure (with great respect to him) that Jon will tell us if he sees a problem. After previous debates where some of us (me included) appeared to speak for Jon or make suggestions without consulting him first I think we should leave this thread alone on that side of things.
Perhaps the exhaust idea (and it`s an excellent one) could be taken up by one or two PRIVATE individuals who do this in their own name and with no connection to this forum or it`s administrators?
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Post by jeremy » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:56 pm

Thanks Billy - I agree.

The £5000 was merely a crude illustration of the (in my opinion) of the impossibility of this club making any meaningful intervention in the market either for cars or spares or both - as it won't go anywhere near achieving anything at all.

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Post by Ian_Fearn » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:40 am

cavmad wrote:Perhaps the exhaust idea (and it`s an excellent one) could be taken up by one or two PRIVATE individuals who do this in their own name and with no connection to this forum or it`s administrators?
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I'm more than happy to do this. Whilst i'm a member of the BXclub internet forum, my actions or anything i say are in no way connected to the club so theres no legal issues there as long as i dont voice anything on this forum or waving the BXclub banner.

At the same time i do hold quite a sizeable stock of used BX parts that are on offer to all. Many people off the forum have taken advantage of this.

I think the idea of collating a stock of rarer parts for potential re-manufacture at a later date is a great idea. Bear in mind that Citroen dont sell exhaust bits for BX's anymore, unless its off the shelf.

2CVGB did this years ago and they're starting to reap the benefits from this now. For example the door shut plates on Dyanes are plastic and break. When they break the door will no longer shut in a fashion acceptable for an MOT. SPOG (2cvgb's Spare Parts OrGanisation) now reproduce these amongst various other things.

2CVGB also have connections with Citroen dealers (in fact one of the main men in SPOG works as a parts man at Citroen). On top of this they go to great lengths to source re-pro and genuine parts from companies abroad.

Citroen no longer hold any obligation to stock BX parts and they have recently relocated they're stores department to a new 'leaner' facility where every square millimetre of spare costs X number of pounds per day. They are VERY reluctant to stock anything that doesnt have a high turnover. As a result things get scrapped and its very difficult to convince a multinational company to give things away.

On the other hand Citroen recently scrapped a handful of genuine Citroen Saxo bodyshells. They offered them to local colleges for bodyrepairs but nobody wanted them.

There was some talk a couple of years back about BX bodyshells still being available but i think they're all gone now :cry:
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Post by Philip Chidlow » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:52 am

OK Jeremy, I agree with most of what you say, and I'd be the first to agree that we can't save every last BX :lol:

I was just ruminating, thinking that as parts that could in future be economically remanufactured to keep a few remaining examples on the road MIGHT be a good idea, but I do agree it ISN'T the Club's function to facilitate this. This Forum hopefully will inspire a few to do this sort of thing off their own backs. If I had more money I would help. :D
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Post by cavmad » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:47 am

Right, back onto the exhaust being offered the gentleman selling it has been back to me. He has a BX 4x4 estate for breaking too, I`ve not asked if he`ll sell it complete but he seems an approachable and pleasant chap judging by his e-mails.
Is it worth me mentioning this site to him?
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Post by jeremy » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:52 am

I suppose one of the problems is that as yet the BX hasn't attracted much trade interest. I know there are a number of independant Citroen experts but there doesn't seem to be anyone identifiable as 'Mr BX' in the way that there are 2CV specialists.

This is probably due to the (current) abundant supply of goodish cars and their low value - and the fact that any major repair outstrips the value of the car. The 2CV has a rather different appeal largely due I think to its antiquity and its quirky appearance - and is readily recognised as something very different, whereas to many the BX - for all its virtues - is dismissed by many as just another old car.

Maybe things will change but few saloons attain a 'Classic' status - and I suppose the only one in recent years was the rather crude and corrodable Golf GTi Mk 1 - all of which pre-date the first BX. It could be that poor brakes are a requirement - in which case the BX will never make it!

The BX does have distinctive looks and unique mechanicals on its side together with a general robustness - but so did the GS. Additional things in the BX favour are the diesel and more powerful engines - but only time will tell.

Interestingly Cortina 1600 E's were sought after at one time - and I haven't seen one for ages - but I did find a road full of Capri's the other day.

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Post by Ian_Fearn » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:53 pm

Rob Moss at Chevronics seems to be doing pretty well out of the GS.

I've not heard any bad reports about them but i understand they are 'London' prices rather than the cheapskate stuff i'm used to up north :D

The question is: IF you found a garage that charged reasonable prices and specialised in the BX would you travel say 100 miles to have some work done on it?
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