Smoke by the look of it!Matt H wrote:Also love the LNA, but what the hell could you tow with it?
Does anyone has a spare diesel AX knocking around?
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Tom has just suggested a 205. We don't need a second car, but the buying frenzy is gripping me, and the little TZD demon is saying "If Lena gets a 205, shouldn't you get something too? Like a TZD estate...."
Aaargh... I might just let her write Swampy off and buy something stupid.
Tom has just suggested a 205. We don't need a second car, but the buying frenzy is gripping me, and the little TZD demon is saying "If Lena gets a 205, shouldn't you get something too? Like a TZD estate...."
Aaargh... I might just let her write Swampy off and buy something stupid.
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I must admit i've got a soft spot for the 205, trouble is that they cost more than the equivalent bx & i've always fancied the diesel turbo version which seems quite rare....
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Not necessarily on a wet roundabout. I found the 205 had a wicked temper. The AX is stronger than the look and feel might suggest.tom wrote:I'd sooner place my loved ones in a 205 than an AX, wouldn't you?
How do I know? I don't definitively of course. If it was to do with looks alone the 205 is supreme amongst little hatchbacks.
But...
As a passenger, had an off in a 205XS on a greasy roundabout. Horrible experience. I drove a 205 - a 1.4 thing on holiday and found it brilliant and cleverly designed but it never inspired confidence on tight corners. Tended to switch from under to over-steer on eneven surfaces.
And the AX? (Again as a passenger) we were hit rear quarter by a taxi and the car stood up to the considerable impact quite well. The wheel would have stayed on had it been a four stud I'm sure!
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I wouldnt fancy having a crash in either to be honest, although i suspect that the AX might well perform slightly better in crash testing, as its a newer design than the 205.
I would however prefer the 205 in the looks dept. And yes i've owned a 1993 Jive diesel, great car & felt a lot more solid than the equivalent petrol ax.
If size matters, how about a polo of similar vintage, reliable, not many electrical gubbins to go wrong, economical & reasonably fun to drive. Aaaah, i miss my 1 litre Fox Coupe....
I would however prefer the 205 in the looks dept. And yes i've owned a 1993 Jive diesel, great car & felt a lot more solid than the equivalent petrol ax.
If size matters, how about a polo of similar vintage, reliable, not many electrical gubbins to go wrong, economical & reasonably fun to drive. Aaaah, i miss my 1 litre Fox Coupe....
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If you crash in a 205 or AX, you're gonna hurt yourself. They're both flimsy. A 205 shell is weaker than the AX one. It's only the body panels on an AX which are flimsy, whats underneath is fairly sturdy.
The TUD's are noticably more economical than the XUDs, although the most economical XUD I had was a 205 1.8D (with optional PAS!) which peaked at 54mpg.
If it were my loved one and it was a toss up in this catagory, it'd be a ph2 106 or Saxo. Both have side impact beams, improved safety cells and airbags (as both are identical under the skin)
If mileage isn't high, diesel isn't really needed as the TU petrols are cheap to run in either car. Even the 1.6 VTR Saxo averages 35-40mpg and with the premium in diesel fuel right now, that works out nearly even per mile! Add the fact that the Westcoast/Furio 1.4 models and VTR 1.6's have much sturdier suspension and wider, grippier tyres with a wider track and don't command a silly insurance premium or purchase price, I'd go with a VTR due to it's additional rear disc brakes. They also look and feel more special without being the sort of value to keeps you awake at night if you leave it in a dodgey car park. Add power steering to the mix and you're onto a winner, given the fact that while a 1.6 Saxo sounds nippy, it isn't! The VTS was the fast, hard to insure model. The VTR is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
My little sister just passed her test and was looking at base spec Saxos/Fiestas/Corsas etc. Given that I've seen all in a smashed up state in my last job, and given that while one car might be a 2 star rating and another a 4, I learned that those ratings could easily switch if the car was crashed in a manner that isn't part of the NCAP test procedure (the simple solution is not to crash). For example, Saxo's hardly buckle when rolled, but Fiestas.....well, don't roll one is my advice!
She set herself on the Saxo and I suggested she try the VTR. She did, she was won over compared with the 1.1's and diesels and picked up a W plate ph2 in Mauritius Blue metallic for £1250. It had two months MOT left, it passed the following MOT first time.
Happy days!
The TUD's are noticably more economical than the XUDs, although the most economical XUD I had was a 205 1.8D (with optional PAS!) which peaked at 54mpg.
If it were my loved one and it was a toss up in this catagory, it'd be a ph2 106 or Saxo. Both have side impact beams, improved safety cells and airbags (as both are identical under the skin)
If mileage isn't high, diesel isn't really needed as the TU petrols are cheap to run in either car. Even the 1.6 VTR Saxo averages 35-40mpg and with the premium in diesel fuel right now, that works out nearly even per mile! Add the fact that the Westcoast/Furio 1.4 models and VTR 1.6's have much sturdier suspension and wider, grippier tyres with a wider track and don't command a silly insurance premium or purchase price, I'd go with a VTR due to it's additional rear disc brakes. They also look and feel more special without being the sort of value to keeps you awake at night if you leave it in a dodgey car park. Add power steering to the mix and you're onto a winner, given the fact that while a 1.6 Saxo sounds nippy, it isn't! The VTS was the fast, hard to insure model. The VTR is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
My little sister just passed her test and was looking at base spec Saxos/Fiestas/Corsas etc. Given that I've seen all in a smashed up state in my last job, and given that while one car might be a 2 star rating and another a 4, I learned that those ratings could easily switch if the car was crashed in a manner that isn't part of the NCAP test procedure (the simple solution is not to crash). For example, Saxo's hardly buckle when rolled, but Fiestas.....well, don't roll one is my advice!
She set herself on the Saxo and I suggested she try the VTR. She did, she was won over compared with the 1.1's and diesels and picked up a W plate ph2 in Mauritius Blue metallic for £1250. It had two months MOT left, it passed the following MOT first time.
Happy days!
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I think we're ok.
She's been out in Swampy a couple of times by herself, and has come back with her eyes glowing
(BTW Tom, size isn't everything you know. Anyway, anyone who says my BX is a phallic substitute is talking out of their gasket. It may be red, take a while to get up and have a slow top speed, but it's comfortable and can keep going all day. What could be phallic about that?)
She's been out in Swampy a couple of times by herself, and has come back with her eyes glowing
(BTW Tom, size isn't everything you know. Anyway, anyone who says my BX is a phallic substitute is talking out of their gasket. It may be red, take a while to get up and have a slow top speed, but it's comfortable and can keep going all day. What could be phallic about that?)
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Hi Oscar - congrats on wifey passing. I have now sadly disposed of my last BX. I don't really understand the superlatives given to the nasty AX/205 range, after a BX you are going to hate the thing and I agree about the accident issues. Having said that I think we all worry too much - lack of crash protection doesn't stop you crossing the road.
Spend on yours instead - all you need to do is get a Pug 1.9TD installed in it. Torque, poke and economy. If you need a new starter motor I have just advertised one
Spend on yours instead - all you need to do is get a Pug 1.9TD installed in it. Torque, poke and economy. If you need a new starter motor I have just advertised one