Wanted:cylinder head for or buyer of BX16v,1992 Reg BXi19.
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Wanted:cylinder head for or buyer of BX16v,1992 Reg BXi19.
I have bent most of the 16valves in my BX. Immediately prior to that it was a great performer, doing what the 16v model does and benefitting from a relatively young clutch, new alternator and being fixed by local specialist garage as required.
If I can get a replacement cylinder head or entire engine I'll repair the car, but shall happily sell the whole car to anyone who wants to attach it to their head. Not keen on breaking it for spares (yet).
The body is white and in good nick.
Don't hesitate to communicate any thoughts on all this.[/i]
If I can get a replacement cylinder head or entire engine I'll repair the car, but shall happily sell the whole car to anyone who wants to attach it to their head. Not keen on breaking it for spares (yet).
The body is white and in good nick.
Don't hesitate to communicate any thoughts on all this.[/i]
A BX fan since buying a 1983 1.6 in 1987 and subsequently a 1.9GTi, three 16valvers and a diesel Meteor. Their deaths have us done parted, save for one 16V sold for restoration, hopefully underway.
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Any pictures?
I think I may have seen this car at a CCC event last year or the year before maybe?
If it's what I'm thinking of it's a P2 right?
Oh, and how much do you want for the whole car?
I think I may have seen this car at a CCC event last year or the year before maybe?
If it's what I'm thinking of it's a P2 right?
Oh, and how much do you want for the whole car?
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I've seen the car before, looked pretty tidy.
Sourcing a head is easier as you can use the S16 (ZX 16v) one, and use it as a donor for the valves as they're the same and easier to source. The head itself is nearly the same too, but the holes for the exhaust studs are in different places.
Needs saving though....that job isn't as bad as it sounds but the damage does dent the car's value pretty badly, as a decent head set and bolts alone are £100 or so. Then theres the cambelt, the tensioners and water pump that I would personally replace as a matter of course etc....
It'll need to be the right price to be saved. I would, but I already have one white BX in bits in my garage and a red one that demands my attention!
Sourcing a head is easier as you can use the S16 (ZX 16v) one, and use it as a donor for the valves as they're the same and easier to source. The head itself is nearly the same too, but the holes for the exhaust studs are in different places.
Needs saving though....that job isn't as bad as it sounds but the damage does dent the car's value pretty badly, as a decent head set and bolts alone are £100 or so. Then theres the cambelt, the tensioners and water pump that I would personally replace as a matter of course etc....
It'll need to be the right price to be saved. I would, but I already have one white BX in bits in my garage and a red one that demands my attention!
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Re: Wanted:cylinder head for or buyer of BX16v,1992 Reg BXi1
How? Cambelt failure?peterwight wrote:I have bent most of the 16valves in my BX.
this might be a signature
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Have a looky in his sig mate, almost certainly cam belt failure.
As per my PM, I'd say the plate is worth more than the car really.
If you're handy with spanners then as Kitch said, it's not too hard to replace the head, or just get some valves and rebuild the head you've got.
As is, it's probably worth not alot more than scrap TBH.
Harsh maybe, but I'd say thats it's money.
As per my PM, I'd say the plate is worth more than the car really.
If you're handy with spanners then as Kitch said, it's not too hard to replace the head, or just get some valves and rebuild the head you've got.
As is, it's probably worth not alot more than scrap TBH.
Harsh maybe, but I'd say thats it's money.
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Personally I'd just repair and keep. Complete heads can be had for around £50 - £150 (I just bought one for £25 that's knackered, but all the valves are straight!)
Then your gaskets etc on top
Looking at a £300 repair tops IMO.
Put it into perspective.....cost me £800 to rebuild the bottom end on mine!
Then your gaskets etc on top
Looking at a £300 repair tops IMO.
Put it into perspective.....cost me £800 to rebuild the bottom end on mine!
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Kitch, tell me more!
Dear Kitch, I'm intrigued. Please explain where I get the cylinder head to which you refer, and do you mean complete with valves nicely seated. So far all I know about is my usual garage sending mine to a workshop where new valves will be ground in and guides heat-shrunk etc. Expensively.
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Re: Kitch, tell me more!
Well basically, all you essentially need are new valves. The guides may be in need of attention depending how bad the damage to the valves is, but in my experience the seats are always good with a decent grind (which can be done by hand) and the guides are normally ok, being quite strong on the PSA engines.peterwight wrote:Dear Kitch, I'm intrigued. Please explain where I get the cylinder head to which you refer, and do you mean complete with valves nicely seated. So far all I know about is my usual garage sending mine to a workshop where new valves will be ground in and guides heat-shrunk etc. Expensively.
My reference to the S16 engine is that it uses a near identical head. Ideally you would want to keep your original head casting, but pending on inspection...you could switch the valves from the S16 head into your BX head, as they're the same valves. Then overhaul the tappets (easy but time consuming) and clean up the remaining parts to be refitted as you'll have it back good as new!
The S16 engine is usually more common on ebay and other such places too, making it easier to source than an XU9J4 head.
S16 engine (identified by big black plastic intake manifold) is as fitted to:
Citroen ZX 16v (UK spec)
Citroen Xantia VSX 16v (1993 - 1995)
Peugeot 405 Mi16 Ph2 (1992-1994)
Peugeot 306 S16
(Please note.....the later GTi-6 with alloy intake as fitted to Xsara VTS and 306 GTi-6 use different parts)
This is an easy way to fix the car, because the S16 engine is less sought after than the XU9J4 making the parts cheaper. Complete working heads often go for around £80! Obviously the ideal solution is a reconned head in original spec, which I've seen for around £300. Then £100-£130 worth of gaskets, bolts and seals later and your car is as good as new!
I'm about to undertake a similar repair on my own car. Mine runs fine, but does have some fractionally bent valves due to my error when rebuilding the head last time, which makes them noisy when closing, although compression is fine.
I've sourced a head for £25 from the 205 GTi forum (where most of the engines end up!) which has a dodgey casting. The cams are missing, but the valves are all there along with one or two other bits, so I'll rebuild and repair from that.
In fact, I managed to find a gasket kit with bolts, for £65. So I might get this all done for less than £100!
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I'd be astounded if the valve guides or seats required attention.
You can get new valves off the shelf for £6 a pop, so, ok, not the cheapest option, but they are readily available.
Like Kitch said though, heads come up on the bay quite often.
You can get new valves off the shelf for £6 a pop, so, ok, not the cheapest option, but they are readily available.
Like Kitch said though, heads come up on the bay quite often.
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Oh I didn't realise they were available that cheap! I last checked and they were £22 each!
If they're only £6 each then a heads only worth it if you get it for £70 or less really.
If they're only £6 each then a heads only worth it if you get it for £70 or less really.
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