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I think with the £2k scrappage scheme, there's going to be quite a few more cars like this not meeting their reserve
2002 C5 2.0 HDI Estate - Jasmine - Now SORN
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
2011 Mini Cooper D Clubman - SOLD
2016 Mercedes A180D Sport - Auto refinement
1992 TZD Turbo - Bluebell - My daily
1991 Gti 16V - Blaze - crash damaged, will get repaired.
1990 Gti 8Valve SOLD - looks like it's been scrapped
2002 Mini Cooper S - SOLD - i miss this car
1992 TXD - Scrapped in March 2014
1988 CX 25 GTI Turbo2 - SORN
1996 - AX Memphis 1.5D - Dream - SORN
I'm not just a username, i'm also called Matthew.
- Philip Chidlow
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Makes me laugh - as any car bought now will never be elligable for the crappage scheme, it finishes next March, so you wont have owned it for 12 months. I just like to email sellers and point this out and then tell them to chop it against a nice new V*x**ll Corsa if they want £2000 for it as otherwise its worth only a fraction of that. But then Im a miserable git.MULLEY wrote:I think with the £2k scrappage scheme, there's going to be quite a few more cars like this not meeting their reserve
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Yes of course, but the seller might be thinking "hang on I was going to wait a year or two before buying another new car but hey, might as well scrap this perfectly good old car that can only reach £700 on an auction site and get me £2k now..."
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Father ted said
<Makes me laugh - as any car bought now will never be elligable for the crappage scheme, it finishes next March, so you wont have owned it for 12 months.>
Agreed; although there is talk of them extending the scheme and some may choose to 'invest' in that talk?
<Makes me laugh - as any car bought now will never be elligable for the crappage scheme, it finishes next March, so you wont have owned it for 12 months.>
Agreed; although there is talk of them extending the scheme and some may choose to 'invest' in that talk?
Mike
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Garlic Bread 'its the future'.
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- jonathan_dyane
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It kills me seeing all those perfectly good cars getting scrapped. When at my local Peugeot stealer I saw they were proudly displaying a 'about to die' immaculate H reg 405 Estate out front
Why can't the government engage the dealers to take on apprentices, refurb the cars and sell them?
Don't bother answering; it's because they're capitalist cunts who worship the God od consumption...
Why can't the government engage the dealers to take on apprentices, refurb the cars and sell them?
Don't bother answering; it's because they're capitalist cunts who worship the God od consumption...
"Boring damned people. All over the earth. Propagating more boring damned people. What a horror show. The earth swarmed with them." -Charles Bukowski
Jonathon
... couldn't have put it better myself.
According to the Open University the carbon emissions embodied in a cars manufacturing process are a huge part of its life cycle emissions when compared to just its lifetime running emissions. So by scrapping perfectly good cars (the frugal BX diesels for instance) in favour of modern vehicles with only moderately improved fuel consumption (but with their own embodied energy) - we ain't doin' nuffink for the planet.
Make do and mend!
Battery cars are a joke regarding carbon dioxide emissions. They just shift the primary energy source from relatively clean hydrocarbons to mainly coal - unless you happen to have a very reliable renewable energy source at hand. They do reduce atmospheric pollution in cities, but this is balanced by the emissions from coal-fired power stations which are NOT good in many ways. Don't forget all of the energy required to dispose of those very toxic batteries too.
Just another smoke screen
... couldn't have put it better myself.
According to the Open University the carbon emissions embodied in a cars manufacturing process are a huge part of its life cycle emissions when compared to just its lifetime running emissions. So by scrapping perfectly good cars (the frugal BX diesels for instance) in favour of modern vehicles with only moderately improved fuel consumption (but with their own embodied energy) - we ain't doin' nuffink for the planet.
Make do and mend!
Battery cars are a joke regarding carbon dioxide emissions. They just shift the primary energy source from relatively clean hydrocarbons to mainly coal - unless you happen to have a very reliable renewable energy source at hand. They do reduce atmospheric pollution in cities, but this is balanced by the emissions from coal-fired power stations which are NOT good in many ways. Don't forget all of the energy required to dispose of those very toxic batteries too.
Just another smoke screen
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Actually the 'environmental' justification for this scheme was quietly dropped a while ago by the powers that be. In fact it was to stimulate the economy and make sure those Nissan workers in Sunderland (for example) and the staff in showrooms weren't out of a job... But even in that respect it is doubtful as to its real positive effect as much of the 'profits' from such an exercise go overseas anyway....
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- Tim Leech
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Weve sold quite a few cars and taken in the scrappage part exchanges which get collected by a breakers yard, a certificate or destruction is issued with 48 hours and the log books are retained by the dealer (us) for 7 years. So in theory they cant return to the road, which is a shame as some of the cars Ive taken in are far from worn out.
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- jonathan_dyane
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What is this certificate of destruction bollocks anyway? Its not obligatory, and seems rather like a good excuse for scrapyards to give you less for your (truly knackered) old car. What is the point? The DVLA give you a letter to confirm when you tell them that you've either scrapped the the car or passed it to someone else to do same...
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Certificate of destruction is excatly what is says Jonathan, to prove (apparently) the car has been destroyed and is no longer. We have to have that before the government release their part of the £2000 scrappage allowance. If we dont get one were £2000 out of pocket!jonathan_dyane wrote:What is this certificate of destruction bollocks anyway? Its not obligatory, and seems rather like a good excuse for scrapyards to give you less for your (truly knackered) old car. What is the point? The DVLA give you a letter to confirm when you tell them that you've either scrapped the the car or passed it to someone else to do same...
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- jonathan_dyane
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I understand it's purpose in that context, but the certificate of destruction predates the scrappage scheme. When I was scrapping my Xantia last month I called in at a couple of yards to get the best price, and they were giving it the 'Oh yeah, but we give you this lovely certificate, without which the DVLA will come for you in the middle of the night and cut your balls off' whereas the scrap metal place who I went to who were paying the best price just stamped my log book with their stamp, and wrote 'scrapped' on it, I then signed it and sent it back to the DVLA, and have since recieved a nice letter saying that I am no longer responsible for the vehicle. It would seem in this particular context the certificate of crappage is fairly superfluous...Roverman wrote:Certificate of destruction is excatly what is says Jonathan, to prove (apparently) the car has been destroyed and is no longer. We have to have that before the government release their part of the £2000 scrappage allowance. If we dont get one were £2000 out of pocket!
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Not really Matt no, because alot of the scrappage cars we take in are shagged, and worth £100-200 tops. There are certain proceedures that have to be adhered too for you to get your £1000 government grant towards it and once the car has been registered to be destroyed its future is sealed.Matt H wrote:So what's to stop the dealer selling the car to someone for £1200 before the destruction order is put through...
Surely a dealer stands to make more by selling the 'doomed' car for more than a grand?
Yes if the car thats coming in is worth £1000+ then its worth looking at a "normal" deal and making up the difference back up to the full £2000 out of your profit margin, but on the small cars which is what the majority of the scrappage deals are againt there isnt enough money to do it that way.
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