bx on piston heads

[johnbird]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=439

[toddao]

I'd have that 16v

in 1999 the car had a new blue print engine fitted at a cost of £8500 reciept to prove

what the heck is that apart from expensive?

[johnbird]

you certainly couldnt sneak up on anything in it.
i guess the engine will be the hot peugeot one from the 405?nearly fifteen year old blueprinted engine.cars not that much though.

[MULLEY]

£2k for a 1600 petrol No chance, but it is a good sign that prices are on the up, even if some are unrealistic.

That valver looks very familiar, i'm sure that was advertised/mentioned on here before apart from the blue print engine thingy.

John, is the blueprint a 2 litre or the normal 1.9 16v as fitted to standard bx valvers?

[johnbird]

i was thinking the pug engine because of the sticker on the back,sure thats the hot 405 badge in red. if you flogged those wheels for a couple of hundred and put some standard alloys on it you would have a pretty smart car for not much more than,or perhaps less than if you negotiated-a grand. its not a lot of money for an interesting car. i personally would crawl over ground glass before buying some of the wind tunnel designed cheap euro boxes for a grand but wouldnt mind buying a quirky classic-much the same as i did-to use for similar money. its a nice colour too. is that meteor a limited edition model? that looks expensive at two grand? would have to be something special for that money surely? again i like the colour though.

[Matt H]

The 16v is the same engine as the 405 Mi16, but the Bx actually had it first... And unless he has a recent rolling road printout to prove the wild power claims it isn't worth any more than a standard valver. Who knows what engine work has been done since that huge receipt?

[johnbird]

ive no idea about which engine it has.as you say without recent dyno printout its just an estimate but its still a nice colour.

[toddao]

From Wikipedia

Blueprinting

In engine blueprinting, all the specifications are double-checked. Usually this indicates closer-than-factory tolerances, with custom specifications appropriate for a street car or a race car. The goals are either to re-manufacture the engine to the rated power for its manufacturer's design (because not all mass-production engines put out the rated power), or rebuild the engine to make more power from a given design than otherwise intended (because custom engines can often be redesigned to different specifications). Blueprinted components allow for a more exact balancing of reciprocating parts and rotating assemblies so that less power is lost through excessive engine vibrations and other mechanical inefficiencies.

Ideally, blueprinting is performed on components removed from the production line before normal balancing and finishing. If finished components are blueprinted, there is the risk that the further removal of material will weaken the component. However, lightening components is generally an advantage in itself provided balance and adequate strength are both maintained, and more precise machining will in general strengthen a part by removing stress points, so in many cases performance tuners are able to work with finished components.

For example, an engine manufacturer may list a piston ring end-gap specification of 0.003 to 0.005 inches for general use in a consumer automobile application. For an endurance racing engine which runs hot, a "blueprinted" specification of 0.0045 to 0.0050 may be desired. For a drag-racing engine which runs only in short bursts, a tighter 0.0035 to 0.0040 inch tolerance may be used instead. Thus "blueprint" can mean tighter or looser clearances, depending on the goal.
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sounds just a little bit er.... wanky ( to the value of 8 g's! )


P.S there's no way that Meteor's worth that. Wasn't that some old Mum's motor being offered here a few months back?

[Defender110]

Kinell, 2k for a sorn 16 petrol, what a waste of an advert. It does start first time though

[docchevron]

oh, THAT 16v.. I seem to remember it for sale some ime ago when the BHP figure was quoted as being "around 190BHP"..
64K miles in 11 years since it was done though, and who knows if they are 64K careful miles or if it's been ragged to death?

Still, best colour and a nice looking car.

[JayW]

Yes, THAT valver... Came from my hometown up in Suffolk with it's claimed 190bhp (Bullshat Hype Power)...

I very much doubt that receipt is real, not only was it not mentioned last time the car was sold (and you'd think it would be a BIG selling point) but in '99 the car would have been worth less than half of that at best!

The last owner in Haverhill was know to friend of mine and was a bit of a Billy-Bullshatter man-racer wannabee...

Halfords special, i'll give a tenner for it

[Mike P]

That 16V DOES NOT have a blueprinted engine.

I viewed the car over a year ago when it was owned by a chap called Mark in Sheffield: the receipt for the engine is a fake and Mark told me how he pulled it to pieces when he bought the car several years ago.

It does have a pair of cams and 205 Gti 1.6 gearing fitted to it and it is a quick one to 100mph

I recall Mark got around £1400 for the car, so the current owner is trying to get their money back on the car and not make on it as they were when it was advertised for £1800 towards the back end of last year.

Mike P.

[KevR]

From Wikipedia

Blueprinting

sounds just a little bit er.... wanky ( to the value of 8 g's! )

But it works... properly done, basically you're putting the engine back to exactly how the designer intended rather than how it ended up due to the vagaries of production tolerances. The result should be smoother, more economical, more reliable, more powerful. I've riddden bikes 'tuned' by so called experts who've just lobbed in hot cams and big pistons for an impressive dyno figure, and they've often been horrible. I've also ridden bikes blueprinted by proper experts like Tony Scott, and they've more often been a revelation - a Scott-prepared Honda RC30 makes a standard bike feel like a poorly-prepared moped, and it's all done with standard parts.

[Defender110]

But it works... properly done, basically you're putting the engine back to exactly how the designer intended rather than how it ended up due to the vagaries of production tolerances. The result should be smoother, more economical, more reliable, more powerful. I've riddden bikes 'tuned' by so called experts who've just lobbed in hot cams and big pistons for an impressive dyno figure, and they've often been horrible. I've also ridden bikes blueprinted by proper experts like Tony Scott, and they've more often been a revelation

Interesting stuff, many Police vehicles used to be blueprinted didn't they with polished manifolds etc.

[KevR]

I believe so. It's also used to be common for engines on press fleet test models (cars and bikes) to be blueprinted. Then that became too well-known so most manufacturers stopped it for a while, but certainly in the bike world it was still common for a manufacturer to run in twice as many bikes as they needed for the press launch of a model and choose the best ones. Now there's evidence they're playing about again - I'm building a special using the components from a 2005 Kawasaki ZX-6R which started life as a launch bike in Japan and then became a press fleet bike in the UK. It was crashed (with less than 1500 miles on the clock) and bought by one of the mags I work for. The engine's obviously been apart and there are non-standard paint marks all over it. And it makes about 10% more than a standard showroom floor model... Almost certainly assembled by hand using only parts at the optimum end of the production tolerance spec.