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And there's another problem. If you buy a car for top money from a dealer, you shouldn't expect to be able to punt it on for similar money. My feeling is that it is NOW a £2000 car, but it sounds like it wasn't when he bought it. I'm sure we've all been there and ended up shelling out a fair chunk on a new purchase, but I think Mulley's right that you don't expect that if paying top whack. It's kind of what you pay top whack for.

But, the BX is clearly now attracting collectors, so higher prices do seem to be becoming more the way of things. I just hope that not too many buy BXs at top money, then get disillusioned if things need replacing.

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Maybe it wasnt worth the £2000 at the time? when I said I wanted that kinda money for WTF with it being a 1.6 Petrol it raised a few eyebrows on here and I expect quite a few of you didnt expect it to sell, so thats why I opted to advertise it outside the club as I knew it would struggle to find a buyer here for the money I wanted.

The result was the first guy that contacted me bought it, for the full price, no questions asked and ive had probably a dozen enquiries since asking if its still for sale....

So I still think its worth the asking price or thereabouts, its a very desirable model, in a great colour, with a full Citroen history and doesnt need anything doing to it, BX nirvana surely.
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I think so Tim. I thought it was strong money for WTF, but it had plenty in its favour - especially in that colour. I thought it might struggle due to the engine, but it seems those with the money aren't so fussed about engine!

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Dollywobbler wrote:I think so Tim. I thought it was strong money for WTF, but it had plenty in its favour - especially in that colour. I thought it might struggle due to the engine, but it seems those with the money aren't so fussed about engine!

Jame who bought it didnt want a diesel, as the tiny mileage he does the petrol would be a nicer drive and fuel economy not paramount.
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Tim Leech wrote:
MULLEY wrote:A £2k car thats supposed to be the best out there & neading a grand spending on it clearly isn't a top car in my view. I don't care how nice it looks, if it needs mechanical work doing to keep it roadworthy then i would have made an offer based on how much i was going to have to spend on it, some people just don't learn. I'm sure its now a nice car, but i would want to know exactly whats been replaced in the last 5 years etc...before shelling out over £2 grand on a car tbh.....

Bloody hell Mulley it will be scrap value soon at this rate, why cant we be happy that BX prices are on the up instead of talking them down? A bit harsh Tim, Matthew is just being realistic and I for another agree with him entirely he wasn't demeaning it to scrap values, I don't understand your constant obsession with trying to boost and falsley manipulate BX values and always potraying them to be as rare as hens teeth, all of us on here are here because we have enjoyed and been able to take advantage of their low purchase prices and if anything happens to our existing cars we still can. I have no doubt the prices will rise in their own time without making false claims.

He bought it sight unseen as he "fell in love with it" Obviously not if he's selling it so soon?
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Thanks Kevan, my sentiments exactly, something that looks good (when its not been looked over thouroughly by the person claiming its brilliant) clearly is making unfound statements on values imho. This is a public forum so whilst i can't stop people from enthusing over a car that they haven't viewed, as long as everyone is allowed a say even if its to disagree then that's what this place is about :)
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Boost and falseley manipulate values? (unless there still a few of you out there that think im here to line my pockets) , I refute that comment and we shall agree to disagree on that one. I for one have seen this car and looked it over and can confirm its in great nick so I think it should fetch strong money as its a lovely example not the usual ones that show up. Also it was in for a recet full service and Citroen and it was given a clean bill of health.

My point which Ive stated more than once is that if you wanted possibly the best TZD turbo around then this is probably the best one (btw Im not on commission). BX's are rare nowdays Kevan, when was the last time you saw one? As they progress from banger to modern classic then they will start increase in value and there futures may become more secure and people will be inclined not to throw them away when something needs doing (Des's St Tropez is a good example), if you look at the number of family hacks from the 70/80s on the road the numbers of marinas and vivas are scary and in such decent ones fetch good money, so much so there isnt enough to go round. Ive been looking for a Marina for over a year and one hasnt shown up that fits the bill.
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I don't think Tim's making false claims at all - there's simple problem here; It seems to me there's an emerging group of classic car enthusiasts that are prepared to pay top money for top cars, at the same time there's a more pragmatic group of 'grass roots' enthusiasts (like the folks on this forum) that take a more practical view of BX values. In the collectors market values are different - the prices go up, more 'exclusive' dealers get involved and everything's a bit more 'polished'; whatever your personal views might be about that state of affairs, that's just how it is. I think that's why dealers like Patrick and WHM often get castigated for over-inflated prices; they're not over-inflated that's just the going rate within the collectors arena and no-one's forced to buy them if they don't want to.

Clearly, collectors do want to buy the very best BXs now, and as we've seen, top money is being paid for them. If you've got a nice BX, it's probably time to make sure it's rust free and up together, because if it goes pop a time is fast approaching when you're not going to be able to afford another one. I think that guy's probably pushing it at 26, but it's a 2k car - I've no doubt about that.

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I quite agree there has always been an increased value market where top condition / low mileage cars with provenance fetch much higher prices and rightly so. I myself like to buy cars in this category, when a couple of years ago I bought my TZD with 72,000 miles and FSH for £750 it was considered top money, I shocked a few on here when I bought my TGD Auto with 75,000 miles for £850 on a BIN instead of waiting for the auction to end but it was worth it to me. I also think there is a chance he may well get the 2600 he is asking for this one but this does not necessarily equate to an increase in general market values; it just means there has been one buyer out there at the time this was up for sale. Other general condition cars will still be worth the same money and may struggle to sell for months. Again, buying a top price car and then having to spend a lot of money to put it right does not increase the value of a car that was already considered to be top of the market.
I just don't understand this constant obsession with values, every time a good car sells cetain people jump on the band wagon and declare BX values are rocketing and the week after people are virtually giving away their BX's because they can't sell them. Increased values does'nt ever benefit the genuine enthusiast. If your car rocketed in value to £10,000 and you then sell it you are no longer a BX owning enthusiast, you are relegated to the 'I used to have one of those' group and probably will never again be in a situation where you would want to pay the price to buy another.
Market value of cars will find there own level no matter how much certain current owners enthuse about their rocketing values and rareity!
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One could argue though that if one person is prepared to pay a certain figure for a car, that IS it's market value. We can argue all day about what we think a car is worth (and probably will!) but if SOMEONE is prepared to pay a price, that kind of seals it. I feel that this car is worth £2k, but it might well sell for more.

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End of the day he will either get a price he's happy with or still have the car,
All cars are different, condition, mileage etc just as all people are different i.e. what they would or wouldent pay for a particular car, personally not being a fan of diesels this car is of no interest to me whatsoever, the petrol auto is but thats just me,

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Ok Tim, you've said you've looked the car over, did you get underneath to check the pipes, look for leaks, rust, look in all the well known problem areas? Did you take it for a test drive to make sure there were no knocks, strange noises, the turbo boosted properly? If you did all of that, & the car is categorised as an excellent drive & in excellent condition, then i think you can come out with a bold statement about its percieved value, & no one on this forum could argue with you over a value on what you'd be prepared to pay for it should you want to add it to your collection (well we might still disagree on a value, but thats just normal).

But if you haven't, then you're talking rubbish, i'm not out to have an argument with you, but you can't say its a great car without giving it a thorough going over. I hope the seller does get a decent price, he paid over the odds that most of us would have paid (bearing in mind the work done in his ownership), does it add value, not necesserily, but it certainly makes the car a much more attractive proposition.

I know you're a decent bloke & i'm not trying to stifle your enthusiasm as sometimes we deffo need some enthusiasm in this place, just try to keep things in perspective a bit & if you do come out with something that people disagree with you about, then you sometimes just have to take it on the chin.
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I've given it the once over mulley yes, there's no lhm leaks I'm aware off and the remember it had a full main dealer service recently and I'm sure they would find any faults if there were any.

So in my opinion (if that's allowed) not talking "rubbish" which I take offence too Matt, and I'm quite surprised by your remarks, I know you're not a polisher and run your car on a budget but I don't see why we need to talk down the prices all the time!

It won't sell for peanuts, Petes told me that if its not what he wants for he will keep it.
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Agreed, I think it's worth good money and I would love it but I can't afford it.

Lets move on.
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