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I think it makes a difference but mainly to choose a tyre that matches the way you drive. Prior to this time round I ran the BX on Michelin,. it suited me and the car, both. It was pointed out to me that a decade or more later the cheaper tyres have improved a good deal, within reason. Running a set of Polish 165's I have to agree. They probably will not last so long and ultimate grip is not there, but for the majority of my driving in a Turbo Diesel they are fine. Might be a problem when we get to towing, but I doubt it. Will the 1.4 want better grip for its lighter weight and need to be light footed to make up for its lack of cc's? I could see it so. Clearly spirited use demands better rubber. No idea what these Polish jobs cost but I think about £38 a throw if I remember what the seller said. I avoided low profile sections as they ride harder, not what I wanted.
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MULLEY wrote:The make of tyre won't affect the ride one little bit, handling yes, but ride comfort not one iota.

Got to disagree a little here Matthew, some makes of tyre have much softer side walls?
Condorman wrote: One question someone here can probably answer is would it feel smoother with different tyres? At the moment there are Goodyear's on the front and Semperit/Firestone on the back. I remember a Xantia I had with Goodyear's on the front and it was a beast. When I changed to Kumho the ride and steering were vastly improved; is the BX as sensitive to tyre make? Would Kumho tyres work, or some other make, or would it be best to go the whole hog and get Michelin?

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Agree with Defender. Found Goodyears v noisy and a bit 'hard'. Cinturatos' OK, Dunlops too light steering but OK, similar ride to Michelin which have a little more steering weight. Personal preference really, I prefer to have 2 Michelin on the front at least, pref the rear too but less important. The Continentals might be worth a look though. Everyone has their own opinion, would be interesting to do some BX stopping distance tests dry/wet etc to find out in the real world.

Years back only Michelin and Goodyear made the size - couldn't work out the Goodyear ones until I discovered they had a decent sized factory in France..... :lol:

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Defender110 wrote:
MULLEY wrote:The make of tyre won't affect the ride one little bit, handling yes, but ride comfort not one iota.

Got to disagree a little here Matthew, some makes of tyre have much softer side walls?
Condorman wrote: One question someone here can probably answer is would it feel smoother with different tyres? At the moment there are Goodyear's on the front and Semperit/Firestone on the back. I remember a Xantia I had with Goodyear's on the front and it was a beast. When I changed to Kumho the ride and steering were vastly improved; is the BX as sensitive to tyre make? Would Kumho tyres work, or some other make, or would it be best to go the whole hog and get Michelin?

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I know from experience BX's are very sensitive to tyre type/choice, wider tyres wreck the ride comfort as can older correct size tyres where the side walls have hardened up. The ride quality on my TZD was transformed when I fitted new Michelin's onto it.
Yes the wider sectioned 185 Perelli were not as pleasant as the 165 despite a better grip on the limit. Fine for a faster petrol version so I will hang on to them. Michelin were advertising a discount at the moment. Might be an illusion by the time a deal has been done with the trade but might make a difference.
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It may be worth checking they age of the tyres - IIRC I think Tim changed a couple of tyres, but if any were not changed after its layup they may have hardened.

I'm running a mix of budgets on Timex at the moment - Matadors on the back and Goodrides on the front. People who've seen me on challenges know that I tend to drive enthusiastically, so you may not get the same issues but I find hard cornering when loaded can make the back let go slightly (never enough to feel like I'll lose control big time) and the fast right turns round some of the big roundabouts we have round here are scrubbing the outer edge of the nearside front tyre down.

It was a long time ago (12 years ish), but when running my first BX I found it cheaper to get 175's for it than 165's, which a lot of manuals etc. seemed to list as an option.
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I think I changed one wheel but the front tyres will be 14 years old + unless Dominic changed them.
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Tinkley wrote: I prefer to have 2 Michelin on the front at least, pref the rear too but less important.

Sorry disagree here too; the rear tyres are more important and the advice of major tyre manufacturers if only fitting 2 tyres is to put them on the back as front tyre grip problems can be corrected with the steering whereas rear tyre grip problems result in loss of control. Michelin used to have a very good demonstration video on their website demonstrating this.
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Tim Leech wrote:
I think I changed one wheel but the front tyres will be 14 years old + unless Dominic changed them.
If they were MOTable and not badly cracked, he'd have left them on - some of the tyres on the GS when I bought it from them were nearly as old as the car!
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As an aside from whats right and or wrong, just a personal reccomendation.............

Debica passio 2 in 165/70-14 sizes are very good value and manufactured by goodyear. I have them on my St tropez and will be putting them on other BX's as and when they require new boots.
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Did you mean something like this? Defender.

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Towards the end, Michelin get their logo up.

Well I had a total instant blow out once on the rear on my old 14 hammering round the Ayrshire countryside. Zero loss of control, but boy did the pump go crazy trying to compensate. Wheel spinning in the wet 'grooves' of the M4 with the fronts was fun too... TBH I pretty much always change mine at approx 3mm tread depth as they tend to aquaplane/slide significantly less. Age is definitely a big factor on m/cycle tyres, you really do have a lot less grip with a tyre over 12 years old. Never ever aquaplaned m/cycle even at 90 into 200mm of water, good fun overtaking the cars who were aquaplaning.... :lol:

Still prefer to have matched fronts for braking, accelerating and cornering.

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My 'aged' tyres just fell apart! Not recommended. Better cheapos than punctures all over the place. Then maybe I drive harder than some? Would think not.

What I have squeals before it lets go. I will settle for that as you know if your pressing on to hard. Same as the Minis I used to drive. The issue was not so much skidding with them but stopping. The BX does not have that problem unless the rubber bits are crap. Then I tend not to drive up people 'arris like many do today so I hope to be OK on that.

To true on Motorway troughs. Can be nasty. Brussels ring road used to be terrible. You could drown in some of them. Fortunately redone a few years ago.
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Yes that's the one Tinkley, I always thought it best to put new tyres on the front until I saw this then read similar recommendations.
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I have to say I find the cheap Matadors fine on the 19D, it handles the mountain roads in France with ease and gripped very well and were quiet.
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Defender110 wrote: Sorry disagree here too; the rear tyres are more important and the advice of major tyre manufacturers if only fitting 2 tyres is to put them on the back as front tyre grip problems can be corrected with the steering whereas rear tyre grip problems result in loss of control. Michelin used to have a very good demonstration video on their website demonstrating this.
My local tyre supplier/guru said the same thing when I replaced a pair of worn front tyres on the MX3. He insisted on rotating all my tyres so the new ones were on the rear end. Having spent my formative years on two wheels, it sounded counter-intuitive (lose the front on a bike and that's yer lot) but if he was happy to do the shuffling around, he must be serious.
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Interesting comments about softer sidewalls, i just don't believe they can be that different to be noticeable as the car already has very soft hydraulic suspension, unless you are talking runflats which i've got experience of. If you could fit those to a BX you would deffo feel the difference. I've had vredesteins fitted to mine for the last 6 years & can recommend those if you want 185/60's. They'll need replacing soon, i may go to some goodyears that seem to have come out very well in some car tests, i already use goodyear winter tyres which are excellent.
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