Re: Should we worry?
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:10 pm
No Ian , only ToddDollywobbler wrote:. Do we need our European friends to make a Citroen meeting exciting? .
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Re: Should we worry?
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:30 pm
It's not any one factor, but a combination of things, most of which (travel costs, the way the current range is regarded, etc.) have been voiced here. I do have another point though:
The figures for surviving cars in 2CVGB is a good example of what's happening with our cars. There are only a few hundred Dyanes left in the UK, and the last time I saw any of the Dyane Register data 80% of the survivors were post '78 disk brake cars, mainly because the older cars weren't as developed so weren't in as much demand until they became collectable. When I owned my first 2CV back in the 90's, it was one of only 200 70's drum braked cars known to the club, again because many people had upgraded to later disk braked models in the 80's. Older models would also rust away and be replaced by later ones. Those Dyanes that are out there only survive because of the die hard enthusiasts who didn't want to (in their eyes) compromise by buying a 2CV. There are many more late model 2CV's being rebuilt today than there were Dyanes and Drummers 10 years ago because there's nothing newer to replace it with without buying something completely different.
The same works with BX's - many people replaced their GS's and GSA's with BX's because it was a more developed, more efficient vehicle, leaving just a few diehards keeping their G series cars running. The BX's in turn have been replaced by many owners with Xantias, either because they like having a newer car or because the BX was worn out / rusty / getting difficult to maintain / whatever. As people have mentioned, the C5 is a completely different animal, and to many who like the centralised hydraulic system they don't see a suitable replacement for the Xantia, so are now hanging onto them.
For our size Citroen models, they can be compared to A series Citroens by comparing GS survival rates to those of the Ami (double figures), the BX to the Dyane (low hundreds) and the Xantia with the 2CV (thousands but in decline).
While Citroen's change to more conventional designs may have deprived the CCC with an ongoing enthusiastic ownership, I think at the same time it may do a lot for the survival rates of Xantias and XM's, and hopefully those BX's that are currently left.
The figures for surviving cars in 2CVGB is a good example of what's happening with our cars. There are only a few hundred Dyanes left in the UK, and the last time I saw any of the Dyane Register data 80% of the survivors were post '78 disk brake cars, mainly because the older cars weren't as developed so weren't in as much demand until they became collectable. When I owned my first 2CV back in the 90's, it was one of only 200 70's drum braked cars known to the club, again because many people had upgraded to later disk braked models in the 80's. Older models would also rust away and be replaced by later ones. Those Dyanes that are out there only survive because of the die hard enthusiasts who didn't want to (in their eyes) compromise by buying a 2CV. There are many more late model 2CV's being rebuilt today than there were Dyanes and Drummers 10 years ago because there's nothing newer to replace it with without buying something completely different.
The same works with BX's - many people replaced their GS's and GSA's with BX's because it was a more developed, more efficient vehicle, leaving just a few diehards keeping their G series cars running. The BX's in turn have been replaced by many owners with Xantias, either because they like having a newer car or because the BX was worn out / rusty / getting difficult to maintain / whatever. As people have mentioned, the C5 is a completely different animal, and to many who like the centralised hydraulic system they don't see a suitable replacement for the Xantia, so are now hanging onto them.
For our size Citroen models, they can be compared to A series Citroens by comparing GS survival rates to those of the Ami (double figures), the BX to the Dyane (low hundreds) and the Xantia with the 2CV (thousands but in decline).
While Citroen's change to more conventional designs may have deprived the CCC with an ongoing enthusiastic ownership, I think at the same time it may do a lot for the survival rates of Xantias and XM's, and hopefully those BX's that are currently left.
Re: Should we worry?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:16 am
Preaching to the converted there citsncycles.
Im a die hard dyane enthusiast, 2cv'S are great but i still love my 75 drum braker
I do see your point though, its like a natural selection for cars.
I guess we just have to make sure we look after the cars that are left, sort of custodians for later generations to have at least some available
Im a die hard dyane enthusiast, 2cv'S are great but i still love my 75 drum braker
I do see your point though, its like a natural selection for cars.
I guess we just have to make sure we look after the cars that are left, sort of custodians for later generations to have at least some available
Re: Should we worry?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:29 am
Stinkwheel wrote:.
I guess we just have to make sure we look after the cars that are left, sort of custodians for later generations to have at least some available
Amen brother, its true though, one day there will be none left and those who want one either cant find one or they are too pricey due to scarcity. Old Fords have gone that way.