replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by kernowtim » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:21 am

Found the missing oil seal :-) noticed the other bottom bush that bolts to subframe isn't looking too good either, now the bigger bush is changed this presumably
will get more work.
but there are more important things to worry about, like securing the tailgate hinges!!

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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by Slagtrooper » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:30 am

Made something like this

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But it didn't work! Making another tool is expensive :(

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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by KevR » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:41 pm

mat_fenwick wrote:
citronut wrote:make a note of the orientation of the cut outs in the old bush if they are still visible,
as the new one needs to go in the same line
This is assuming the old one was in correctly - the solid bits should be in line with the direction the engine wants to move, i.e. approximately horizontal.
Hang on a minute.... I thought the solid bits should be vertical, leaving the non-solid bits to allow a bit of back and forth movement, but not too much. I thought if you put the solid bits so they resisted all fore and aft movement you'd get more vibration. Are you telling me I've got it wrong and need to press the two spares I've got back out and press them back in again at 90 degrees....? : :?
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by Defender110 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:39 pm

Can you still get the small bush, thought it wasn't available now?
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by KevR » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:47 pm

The bracket that links to the subframe? The whole thing might not be available but the bush itself isn't too hard to track down. It's the same as for lots of other cits and pugs. I've got the dimensions/references written down somewhere, but naturally I can't find them at the minute...
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by mat_fenwick » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:18 pm

KevR wrote:Hang on a minute.... I thought the solid bits should be vertical, leaving the non-solid bits to allow a bit of back and forth movement, but not too much. I thought if you put the solid bits so they resisted all fore and aft movement you'd get more vibration. Are you telling me I've got it wrong and need to press the two spares I've got back out and press them back in again at 90 degrees....? : :?
I'm afraid so :-( You're not the only one to think this logical though, as the garage which swapped one for me in 2008 put the new one back with the solid bits vertical. (And charged me £25 for the privilege - my own fault for assuming they'd do it for beer money). Afterwards I had a low frequency vibration (maybe a few Hertz) under load, accompanied by waggling of the gearstick.

As I'd changed the driveshaft at the same time for a second-hand one, that was my first suspect but it was only when someone suggested to check the orientation of the bush that I wondered if that could be the problem. So I popped a new one in with the solid parts horizontal, and all was well again. I suppose that I could have some other problem which is now masked by putting the bush in this way, but it seems very unlikely!

I think I have the whole casting from a low mileage car (so likely original) somewhere, so I could check that for more confirmation perhaps.
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by KevR » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:38 pm

Bum! Oh well, the hydraulic press gets another workout!
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by docchevron » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:41 am

the solid bits are indeed vertical, or should be.
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by Tinkley » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:40 am

Not sure a mount bush is quite Battlefield 4 or 5?....... :lol:

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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by Slagtrooper » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:55 am

Tinkley wrote:Not sure a mount bush is quite Battlefield 4 or 5?....... :lol:
LOL

This bush is really becoming a battlefield for me!

About its direction, i thought something like this, putting in a slightly angled position:

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But i think the priority of this bush is countering the rotational force.
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by Slagtrooper » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:01 pm

Reading again, i'm thinking about the movement that the bush housing makes when the engine rotates...
If its front rotates up, the bottom part rotates down, so it could be the opposite angle that i drew :roll:
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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by citronut » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:29 pm

Defender110 wrote:Can you still get the small bush, thought it wasn't available now?
here is price and part No. for the bracket/yoke with the small bush fitted

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection
185416 SUPPORT YOKE 28.79 GBP 34.55 GBP 34.55 GBP

it is still showing as available from citroen,

it does not show the bush on on its own though,

but it does under ZX TD engine mounts

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection
180922 FLEXIBLE BUSH 15.29 GBP 18.35 GBP 18.35 GBP


this is also still available from citroen

i just did a goooogly search on the bush part No. and one site that came up has dimentions of said bush

http://www.niparts.com/OEM/04B7F5/CITROEN/180922.html

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Re: replacing lower engine mount on 1.9 diesel

Post by KevR » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:00 pm

That's pretty much the process I went through, then found alternative listings for the bush once I had a basic part number (1809 22 as you say). I think I ended up with QH bushes (part no. EM2007) from MicksGarage.com - about £2.50 each I think.
In fact (has a quick look on the interwebs....) it's this one:
https://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails ... id=1336641
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