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- Ian_Fearn
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I'd be interested to know what the cost would be Ken.
A local firm who seem reasonable in terms of quality and cost are looking for around £500 to do a full cylinder head job including disassembly, valve guides, skim, stem seals re-assembly and re-shimming.
The car aint worth any more than 200quid and even after that whats the life expectancy of the auto gearbox after 120k?
Each time i think about repairing it the costs start to escalate.
I could do it on the cheap without question but it goes against my nature to bodge something.
A local firm who seem reasonable in terms of quality and cost are looking for around £500 to do a full cylinder head job including disassembly, valve guides, skim, stem seals re-assembly and re-shimming.
The car aint worth any more than 200quid and even after that whats the life expectancy of the auto gearbox after 120k?
Each time i think about repairing it the costs start to escalate.
I could do it on the cheap without question but it goes against my nature to bodge something.
Over and out from me
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- docchevron
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Er, TD auto like this one??Philip chidlow wrote: Bu••er
I guess the only thing to do is a) Rebuild the engine, or b) offer it to someone who might enjoy the challenge of doing that instead of you, or indeed replacing the GTi Auto set up with another combination... TD auto anyone?
I't such a shame. What do you imagine the particular damage to be? Pistons/valves etc. or worse like a cracked block?
You have my sympathy Ian (as well as my old car, you vandal )
Very good it is too! Even if I do say so myself, you'd need a modded diesel box to go on the engine though, and that aint cheap to do... Running a TD on a GTi auto box would make it a painfully slow car, if very rapid accelerating car...
Aint gona be a cracked block, they're wet linered, sounds like the rings are knackered. That said, a decent weekends work, and no more than £400 should see a re-built engine.
If the bores and pistons look ok, I'd re-ring it, overhaul the head, and throw a set of mains and big ends in it whilst I was at it, then you're looking at no more than £300....
Assuming you wield the spanners yourself of course.
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Chris G
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Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...
Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...
- docchevron
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Right, if you've got around £3000 spare, and are prepared to wait over 3 months for ZF to go and build it then you too can have a specially made TD auto box direct from your friendly German Transmission makers! (Oh, and you'll have to supply them with an exchange box too).
Otherwise, try and find a really late diesel Xantia (like the very very last ZF equipped xantia auto's) with the lowest mileage possible, and hope it dont go bang!
The first setup we used on dad's was a second hand xantia autobox. It managed exactley 199 miles before the box said "F%^K THIS" and blew itself to pieces!
The main killer of the box is the torque that the TD puts out. A standard box just aint up to the job, which is why Citroën never made a TD auto BX / Xanty. Shame really, cos it's a beast!
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Chris G
Otherwise, try and find a really late diesel Xantia (like the very very last ZF equipped xantia auto's) with the lowest mileage possible, and hope it dont go bang!
The first setup we used on dad's was a second hand xantia autobox. It managed exactley 199 miles before the box said "F%^K THIS" and blew itself to pieces!
The main killer of the box is the torque that the TD puts out. A standard box just aint up to the job, which is why Citroën never made a TD auto BX / Xanty. Shame really, cos it's a beast!
Cheers
Chris G
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Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...
Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...
Is the engine fuming excessively? If so - then its rings. By excessive I don't mean the odd bit of fuming but choking fumes when the filler cap is removed and oil leaking everywhere.
It may be worth doing a compression test - there are no published figures but you're looking for equality between cylinders. Rings normally break on one piston first.
BX have I think a rather old fashioned slotted scraper ring which to be fair can last superbly. Oil scraper rings work by having a thin edge which cuts through the oil film and scrapes it off the bore and returns it to the sump. Later type of rings have 2 thin steel rings separated by a separator but the slotted scraper has a cast base with 2 thin edges - and eventually the edges wear off leaving the thick back which does not scrape the oil off. Wear would be accentuated by a lack of oil.
If the scrapers wear the top 2 rings will continue to seal - so its only the oil consumption that increases and there will be little blow by.
It may be worth doing a compression test - there are no published figures but you're looking for equality between cylinders. Rings normally break on one piston first.
BX have I think a rather old fashioned slotted scraper ring which to be fair can last superbly. Oil scraper rings work by having a thin edge which cuts through the oil film and scrapes it off the bore and returns it to the sump. Later type of rings have 2 thin steel rings separated by a separator but the slotted scraper has a cast base with 2 thin edges - and eventually the edges wear off leaving the thick back which does not scrape the oil off. Wear would be accentuated by a lack of oil.
If the scrapers wear the top 2 rings will continue to seal - so its only the oil consumption that increases and there will be little blow by.
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What about looking for a good second hand engine? A fair few 205 GTi owners take out a perfectly good engine to replace it with the 16 Valve/Mi16 engine so if you look out for a 205 forum similar to this you might get lucky...
I would have thought you'd get it for less than £100 and shouldn't take too long to swap. (Famous last words - "It will only take 10 minutes dear, then I'll come and put up the shelf.")
I would have thought you'd get it for less than £100 and shouldn't take too long to swap. (Famous last words - "It will only take 10 minutes dear, then I'll come and put up the shelf.")
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Rings it is then.
hhmm, still not the end of the world.
19 engines are plentiful enough, although personally I'd rebuild whats in it. Better the devil you know etc..
And ig you build the engine yourself, you know its done right!
Cheers
Chris G
hhmm, still not the end of the world.
19 engines are plentiful enough, although personally I'd rebuild whats in it. Better the devil you know etc..
And ig you build the engine yourself, you know its done right!
Cheers
Chris G
Smokes lots, because enough's enough already!
Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...
Far too many BX's, a bus, an ambulance a few trucks, not enough time and never enough cash...