I suspect someone will pay 1500 quid (or therabouts) for that car for one very good reason; they love BXs and will struggle to find a better one for less money. I suppose to be fair if one were routinely doing very long haul journeys where reliability was at a premium it might more prudent to buy something else. Personally, I don't think practicality is all its cracked up to be. It might make life more predictable but somehow less like living and the day I start looking at Toyota Yaris' with avaricious longing is the day I realise I've turned into one of the people I warned myself about when i was a teenager!
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I use my BX everyday and stack up alot of miles. It's never let me down but I'm sure it will at some point. It's a bit like life generally - it's a risk; pay your money, make your choice. It is a risk however I'm prepared to take for the pleasure of running a 20 year old car that I really love. I just do the best I can to maintain it properly on the undertanding that it will minimise that risk. If the price I have to pay for the manifold pleasures of BX ownership is the increased likelihood of paddling around in a pool of LHM on the hard shoulder - bring it on! Wherever I was driving to will still be there when the cars fixed!
I suspect someone will pay 1500 quid (or therabouts) for that car for one very good reason; they love BXs and will struggle to find a better one for less money. I suppose to be fair if one were routinely doing very long haul journeys where reliability was at a premium it might more prudent to buy something else. Personally, I don't think practicality is all its cracked up to be. It might make life more predictable but somehow less like living and the day I start looking at Toyota Yaris' with avaricious longing is the day I realise I've turned into one of the people I warned myself about when i was a teenager!

I suspect someone will pay 1500 quid (or therabouts) for that car for one very good reason; they love BXs and will struggle to find a better one for less money. I suppose to be fair if one were routinely doing very long haul journeys where reliability was at a premium it might more prudent to buy something else. Personally, I don't think practicality is all its cracked up to be. It might make life more predictable but somehow less like living and the day I start looking at Toyota Yaris' with avaricious longing is the day I realise I've turned into one of the people I warned myself about when i was a teenager!
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If the question raised is whether the hydraulics present a specific risk, well, to some degree its the same for any car component, and are the hydraulics on a BX really so risky? OK in theory an older car may present additional risk of breakdown/problems etc but then maintenance and a bit more attention than 'normal' does actually come into it (im not sure why this would be denied). For example If all the pipe work is sealed then the risk of problems is reduced, and the pump/accumulator sphere lets itself known in advance when its starts to struggle. Ive had two BXs and never had a problem with the hydraulics. Im not saying I wont have at some point but Ive never really thought of BX hydraulics as notoriously problematic. Maybe I got lucky. Both my BXs have been good reliable cars, and used every day.
I wouldnt buy a classic/old car if I couldnt use it every day. With a bit more attention and careful chosing in the first place an old car is a perfectly viable daily option. lets be honest, like Paul says, if it conks out once a year, so what. My wifes Honda Civic has had problems, but its biggest problem is that its dull as shit.
I wouldnt buy a classic/old car if I couldnt use it every day. With a bit more attention and careful chosing in the first place an old car is a perfectly viable daily option. lets be honest, like Paul says, if it conks out once a year, so what. My wifes Honda Civic has had problems, but its biggest problem is that its dull as shit.
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I'll agree that the hydraulics are an extra potential failure point over another car of the same age such as a 405. A person's opinion of how much of a extra risk that poses depends in part on their experiences - some are luckier than others!
For me, I'm of the opinion that a measure of the unreliability can be taken out by careful inspection of the condition of pipework (maintenance), and so (for me) the risk is reduced to a level I find acceptable. Others will probably have different acceptable thresholds of risk, but I understand what Brian is saying.
For me, I'm of the opinion that a measure of the unreliability can be taken out by careful inspection of the condition of pipework (maintenance), and so (for me) the risk is reduced to a level I find acceptable. Others will probably have different acceptable thresholds of risk, but I understand what Brian is saying.
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Don't let that fool you. I've only owned that since June. I did actually own a CX at the time, but could hardly rely on that because the electrics were absolute rubbish. The hydraulics on that car did not give any problems at all though.BX Meteor wrote:and a Range Rover by the looks of itDollywobbler wrote: 2CV needed an engine change (though it was running pretty much fine) but I then had problems with cylinder heads. It was out of action for a fair while, but that's ok as I had a BX to rely on...
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Am i missing the point made earlier in this thread if i say..
"Everything man or machine assembled from manufactured parts can and will be prone to assembly or tolerance errors and resultant failure at some point, be it 200k miles old or 2 miles old, so, saying you cannot put hand on heart and say a BX's hydraulics are 100% reliable is akin to saying my brand new BMW's engine may expire tomorrow for any number of reasons unforseen, or put another way, nothing is 100% reliable, but maintenence gives you a fighting chance"
Or put another way, just because one member here doesnt trust his well known to them and maintained BX is more down to his personal take on his personal situation and past experiences than some in-alienable pre defined failures of hydraulic systems all over the world in our poor unfortunate BX's.
Ive been stranded only once in many 100's of decrepit jalopys and a smaller number of pristines beauties, it was in a dyane 6 in the pishing rain on the a1 near leeds, and it was my own fault, i knew id knackered the thread and was chancing my arm. Never (he says tempting fate, throwing salt over shoulder etc etc) in a hydraulic citroen, ive had incovinient limps, but not left high and dry.
Sorry for the thread hijack and ramble, drink has been consumed of the real ale variety. Evening all, mind how you go
"Everything man or machine assembled from manufactured parts can and will be prone to assembly or tolerance errors and resultant failure at some point, be it 200k miles old or 2 miles old, so, saying you cannot put hand on heart and say a BX's hydraulics are 100% reliable is akin to saying my brand new BMW's engine may expire tomorrow for any number of reasons unforseen, or put another way, nothing is 100% reliable, but maintenence gives you a fighting chance"
Or put another way, just because one member here doesnt trust his well known to them and maintained BX is more down to his personal take on his personal situation and past experiences than some in-alienable pre defined failures of hydraulic systems all over the world in our poor unfortunate BX's.
Ive been stranded only once in many 100's of decrepit jalopys and a smaller number of pristines beauties, it was in a dyane 6 in the pishing rain on the a1 near leeds, and it was my own fault, i knew id knackered the thread and was chancing my arm. Never (he says tempting fate, throwing salt over shoulder etc etc) in a hydraulic citroen, ive had incovinient limps, but not left high and dry.
Sorry for the thread hijack and ramble, drink has been consumed of the real ale variety. Evening all, mind how you go
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A lot of you still miss the point .... engines are common to all cars, steering is common to all cars, suspension joints are common to all cars, brakes are common to all cars, so they all suffer the same potential failure, which is checked at MOT. When you go for MOT, the mechanic checks all these (except the engine).Stinkwheel wrote:Am i missing the point made earlier in this thread if i say..
"Everything man or machine assembled from manufactured parts can and will be prone to assembly or tolerance errors and resultant failure at some point, be it 200k miles old or 2 miles old, so, saying you cannot put hand on heart and say a BX's hydraulics are 100% reliable is akin to saying my brand new BMW's engine may expire tomorrow for any number of reasons unforseen, or put another way, nothing is 100% reliable, but maintenence gives you a fighting chance"
Or put another way, just because one member here doesnt trust his well known to them and maintained BX is more down to his personal take on his personal situation and past experiences than some in-alienable pre defined failures of hydraulic systems all over the world in our poor unfortunate BX's.
Ive been stranded only once in many 100's of decrepit jalopys and a smaller number of pristines beauties, it was in a dyane 6 in the pishing rain on the a1 near leeds, and it was my own fault, i knew id knackered the thread and was chancing my arm. Never (he says tempting fate, throwing salt over shoulder etc etc) in a hydraulic Citroën, ive had incovinient limps, but not left high and dry.
Sorry for the thread hijack and ramble, drink has been consumed of the real ale variety. Evening all, mind how you go
The MOT mechanic also checks the appearance of the pipes on your hydraulics, but he cannot see all of the rubber returns, and indeed these are arguably not going to cause an immediate accident when they fail. When these fail, your waning light on your hydraulics will very soon come on, and then you should stop, and then you need to call someone to get you out of your predicament.
You do not have this potential hydraulics failure if your car is not a BX. There are numerous posts in this forum about problems with rubber returns. Here is something I posted in May about the Octopus pipes (a recurring theme), and if you go down to the third post you will find "When the Octopus fails it usually ruptures on the moulded sections where all the pipes come together underneath the engine. The piping at the tank can look magnificent and yet the green blood can still be pissing out from the octopus itself" .... not my words, but I agree, and I think everyone should understand this point. You all have an Achiles Heel buried in your BX that no amount of servicing and inspection will uncover.
My point is that these cars are now at least 18 years old, so the rubber returns are an unknown threat to reliability. You do not have that threat on a car without this hydraulic system.
So, why is the car that is advertised, worth £1500 compared to any other BX ? It has FSH, so it has probably had a lot of money spent on a lot of work. It has done 110k miles. It is shiny, probably had a good valet.
So if the advertised BX is not worth £1500, then why is any BX worth £1500. If it does reach £1500 then I will put my BX up for sale too, it does not have FSH, but I have done a lot of work on it myself.
Now to go back to a much earlier posting by me in this thread, does anyone want to participate in a sweepstake on the final price ?
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Well everyone that owns BXs knows all about the hydraulic system and its strengths and weaknesses. Its the unique hydraulics of Citroen cars that makes them so attractive to many (for me certainly) reliability or not.
If you want reliable and practical - don't buy a Citroen. If you want a bit of passion, individuality and that 'something' you can't quite put your finger on - get one. You'll love it. People don't buy BXs despite the 'unreliable' hydraulics but because of them. They'll pay 1500 quid (or whatever) for a sorted BX because its a sorted BX. They are now rare cars and very good ones are few and far between.
People will pay 5 grand for a good CX, 20 grand for a good SM. They are cars that are older, more complex and inherently more unreliable than any BX. No one asks 'aren't they a bit unreliable?' or 'why do you want one of them? You could get a reliable car for that money'. I mean - just look at them!!

As to the price that car actually makes I reckon just under a grand. In a more certain economic climate it may well have made the full 1500.
If you want reliable and practical - don't buy a Citroen. If you want a bit of passion, individuality and that 'something' you can't quite put your finger on - get one. You'll love it. People don't buy BXs despite the 'unreliable' hydraulics but because of them. They'll pay 1500 quid (or whatever) for a sorted BX because its a sorted BX. They are now rare cars and very good ones are few and far between.
People will pay 5 grand for a good CX, 20 grand for a good SM. They are cars that are older, more complex and inherently more unreliable than any BX. No one asks 'aren't they a bit unreliable?' or 'why do you want one of them? You could get a reliable car for that money'. I mean - just look at them!!
As to the price that car actually makes I reckon just under a grand. In a more certain economic climate it may well have made the full 1500.
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The Octopus is not an Achilles heel but a service replaceable part. OK 18 years may be near end-of-life but you have an option to renew this now before it fails as preventative maintenance and then it should be good for at least another 10 years!BX Meteor wrote:Here[/url] is something I posted in May about the Octopus pipes (a recurring theme), and if you go down to the third post you will find "When the Octopus fails it usually ruptures on the moulded sections where all the pipes come together underneath the engine. The piping at the tank can look magnificent and yet the green blood can still be pissing out from the octopus itself" .... not my words, but I agree, and I think everyone should understand this point. You all have an Achiles Heel buried in your BX that no amount of servicing and inspection will uncover.
My point is that these cars are now at least 18 years old, so the rubber returns are an unknown threat to reliability. You do not have that threat on a car without this hydraulic system.
It is not even catastrophic if it fails as the car will undoubtedly get you home whatever your distance from home in the UK and leakage on this journey will be minimal if you engage suspension to Intermediate. (It is good practice to be carrying a spare litre or two of LHM anyway "just in case")
Arriving home and after switching engine off will be the next time any significant leak occurs after the car sinks.
I actually had my Octopus fail and it had to wait 250 miles before replacement was possible. It now has a new Octopus so I don't need to worry about it.
Incidentally on a conventional car there are problems that don't happen on a BX; for instance if a road spring breaks, the car may be not driveable because of the wheel rubbing on chassis or arch due sinking. On a BX if the equivalent membrane ruptures in the sphere, you will still have suspension length but no shock absorbtion so slower speed driving is still possible.
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I have seen some posts in this forum from people who have a BX and dont know anything about it. My son uses my BX and is a fan but his face goes blank when I try to explain it to him.Paul296 wrote:Well everyone that owns BXs knows all about the hydraulic system and its strengths and weaknesses
Buyers of those cars don't expect to use them every day. People on this forum say they use their BX every ....that is my point, the BX is not a car you buy and lock in a garage, but it has an inherent weakness that other everyday cars of similar age do not have.Paul296 wrote:People will pay 5 grand for a good CX, 20 grand for a good SM. They are cars that are older, more complex and inherently more unreliable than any BX. No one asks 'aren't they a bit unreliable?' or 'why do you want one of them?
I reckon a tad over .... £1036 is my punt (if I could sell my one for £800 I would take that one instead because it is a diesel)Paul296 wrote:As to the price that car actually makes I reckon just under a grand. In a more certain economic climate it may well have made the full 1500.
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QED. That is my point, said it many times already, not sure why you are arguingWay2go wrote: The Octopus is not an Achilles heel but a service replaceable part. OK 18 years may be near end-of-life but you have an option to renew this now before it fails as preventative maintenance and then it should be good for at least another 10 years!
Regarding the nonsence about doing 250 miles, if, if, you need the car for work and you have no other car and no other way of getting to work (as I have continually stated as a point) then what do you do when it fails on a Sunday evening and you have to be at work for the next 5 days and you need the car to get there from home each day ?
straws ... clutching ... argument. Pretty poor inspection of the springs then. Cannot inspect the part of the Octopus that you stated in my post in MayWay2go wrote: Incidentally on a conventional car there are problems that don't happen on a BX; for instance if a road spring breaks, the car may be not driveable because of the wheel rubbing on chassis or arch due sinking. On a BX if the equivalent membrane ruptures in the sphere, you will still have suspension length but no shock absorbtion so slower speed driving is still possible.
Once more I state. A BX is not a car that you can rely on as a sole car to get to work each day, because it has an extra risk in an ageing component that is not in other cars of that age and is not visible. You need to have that replaced to make it equal to other cars of that age in terms of reliability. Read all my posts in this tedious thread and you will see that I have to keep making these points over and over and over .......
IMO if the car for sale has FSH and has had this done, then it may be worth £1500 (but I would want new clutch and new rear bearings as well for that money)
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As you are making anti BX posts on a dedicated BX forum, you should not be surprised if people do not agree with you as several have already indicated. Your obsession and negativity on this matter is closely akin to trolling!BX Meteor wrote: Once more I state. A BX is not a car that you can rely on as a sole car to get to work each day, because it has an extra risk in an ageing component that is not in other cars of that age and is not visible. You need to have that replaced to make it equal to other cars of that age in terms of reliability. Read all my posts in this tedious thread and you will see that I have to keep making these points over and over and over .......
Much positive information has been given to you yet you are still like "a dog with a bone"! I think you should question your own motives on this matter.
I happily run my BX as my everyday and only car but if you are too faint hearted to do so then you are not really a committed enthusiast of the BX.
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This is ridicuous, I am allowed to make my comments and stand my ground. You are the one who has decided to come and Troll me for some reason. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I have a vailid point that I have made and people keep trying different angles to dispute the point.Way2go wrote: As you are making anti BX posts on a dedicated BX forum, you should not be surprised if people do not agree with you as several have already indicated. Your obsession and negativity on this matter is closely akin to trolling!
Much positive information has been given to you yet you are still like "a dog with a bone"! I think you should question your own motives on this matter.
I happily run my BX as my everyday and only car but if you are too faint hearted to do so then you are not really a committed enthusiast of the BX.
I mean come on, look at your own reasoning against my point. You said that you would drive 250 miles with a leaking Octopus. Do you think that if a police car were behind you and they saw fluid dripping along the road, that they would not stop you and tell you not to drive the car.
Where am I being anti-BX as well, have I said that they are not a good car. I've had BX's probably longer than most in this club, just because I have only just joined does not give you the right to demonise me. Just give it a rest and grow up.
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So as this ''potential failure point'' lasts circa 18 years from being fitted new; if you replace it as a servicable item you have another 18 years service from this ''potential failure point'' and your repetative argument that apparently the whole forum appear to be missing the point on is blown out of the water?BX Meteor wrote:A lot of you still miss the point ....The MOT mechanic also checks the appearance of the pipes on your hydraulics, but he cannot see all of the rubber returns, and indeed these are arguably not going to cause an immediate accident when they fail. When these fail, your waning light on your hydraulics will very soon come on, and then you should stop, and then you need to call someone to get you out of your predicament.Stinkwheel wrote:Am i missing the point made earlier in this thread if i say..
"Everything man or machine assembled from manufactured parts can and will be prone to assembly or tolerance errors and resultant failure at some point,
You do not have this potential hydraulics failure if your car is not a BX. There are numerous posts in this forum about problems with rubber returns. Here is something I posted in May about the Octopus pipes (a recurring theme), and if you go down to the third post you will find "When the Octopus fails it usually ruptures on the moulded sections where all the pipes come together underneath the engine. The piping at the tank can look magnificent and yet the green blood can still be pissing out from the octopus itself" .... not my words, but I agree, and I think everyone should understand this point. You all have an Achiles Heel buried in your BX that no amount of servicing and inspection will uncover.
My point is that these cars are now at least 18 years old, so the rubber returns are an unknown threat to reliability. You do not have that threat on a car without this hydraulic system.
Sorry my friend but your response to someone who disagreas with your oppinion is IMHO ridiculous! 'Way to go' is not Trolling he is simply making his own point; a point most of the replies to your argument appear to agree with. To get so eat up when no one in your eyes appears to get your argument is a tad childish. Your allowed your oppinion but others aren't allowed theirs or to argue with yours? Is it not you who needs to ''Just give it a rest and grow up''BX Meteor wrote:This is ridicuous, I am allowed to make my comments and stand my ground. You are the one who has decided to come and Troll me for some reason. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I have a vailid point that I have made and people keep trying different angles to dispute the point.
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No it doesn't, because that is exactly what I have said.Defender110 wrote: So as this ''potential failure point'' lasts circa 18 years from being fitted new; if you replace it as a servicable item you have another 18 years service from this ''potential failure point'' and your repetative argument that apparently the whole forum appear to be missing the point on is blown out of the water?
If you would all take the time to read and take in what said before anyone else said it back to me, you would find that this keeps going round and round in circles, with people telling me things that I have already said myself, such as your own first point.Defender110 wrote: Sorry Brian but your response to someone who disagreas with your oppinion is IMHO ridiculous! 'Way to go' is not Trolling he is simply making his own point; a point most of the replies to your argument appear to agree with. To get so eat up when no one in your eyes appears to get your argument is a tad childish. Your allowed your oppinion but others aren't allowed theirs or to argue with yours?
And 'Way to go' accused me of Trolling, which is someone who comes onto a forum and starts to argue for the sake of arguing, which I am not doing. It takes two to argue, but the arguments are repetetive, each of you using the same arguments as someone else has before.
It would be nice if someone could make a point that has not already been made, one which was a genuine counter argument that I had not thought of.
