BX Auto at Horopito Motors

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:05 am

To get it through the smoke test, use an injector cleaner in a tankful of derv, & then use 70% derv to 30% bio diesel in your next tankful, then do an italian tune up before the test, change the fuel filter after that tankful has rund down & replace the air filter. Sorted

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:27 am

Great idea expect that does not work over here.

There is only one type of diesel fuel on the market at the end of the day the only way to fudge the test is to get a leniant tester or spend a mint replacing injectors before the test.

Dont forget the test is done twice per year in NZ.

CaM · Post by **CaM** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:28 am

agreed

those 4x4s you follow will be jap imports which are rather often running buggered fuel gear. people only ever rebuild injectors, and bodge pumps to keep them going rather than overhaul them properly.
also often if people are driving them rather viciously, jap diesels will emit a puff of smoke at gearchanges until they reach full boost

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:00 pm

Can't you get bio diesel in New Zealand? If not, either make your own or try using some veg oil instead of biodiesel (presuming you have a bosch pump?).

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:02 am

Lots of politics surrounding Bio Fuels in NZ Mulley. As for cooking Oil well the supermarkets cashed in on the rush to buy that stuff when fuel prices skyrocketed. Cooking oil is uneconmical alternative and Bio Fuels have gone the same way out here.

LPG was very popular out here before it caught on in Europe and that also just simply does not add up on the economical scale of things.

jonathan_dyane · Post by **jonathan_dyane** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:35 am

kiwi wrote:Lots of politics surrounding Bio Fuels in NZ Mulley.

Aye, but if you run it till the tank is virtually empty, then put in (say) a 80/20 mix of vegetable oil/diesel cleaner unless it's fucked it will pass the emissions test.

CaM · Post by **CaM** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:36 am

it's pretty sweet if you do an lpg conversion and run it dedicated. there's again the cost of setup + extra certing + extra rego charges so.......

going to see that diesel bx for $700 tonight (just rang him to confirm) so will report back if i get it. i really need to not have any more cars but i'm keen to have one for a month or so. I should be able to get it roadworthy within a few dyas and easily sell it for what it would owe me if it all goes well.
heck, it'd be cheaper to rego and wof than my vespa soon anyay and cost similar money to commute in so why not

jonathan_dyane · Post by **jonathan_dyane** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:42 am

CaM wrote:going to see that diesel bx for $700 tonight (just rang him to confirm) so will report back if i get it. i really need to not have any more cars but i'm keen to have one for a month or so. I should be able to get it roadworthy within a few dyas and easily sell it for what it would owe me if it all goes well.
heck, it'd be cheaper to rego and wof than my vespa soon anyay and cost similar money to commute in so why not

I'd be rather wary given that the owner states that the accident burst the radiator and yet he drove it home; the XUD does not tolerate running without water very well (but then what does!)

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:41 am

jonathan_dyane wrote:
kiwi wrote:Lots of politics surrounding Bio Fuels in NZ Mulley.
Aye, but if you run it till the tank is virtually empty, then put in (say) a 80/20 mix of vegetable oil/diesel cleaner unless it's fucked it will pass the emissions test.

I really dont think you can quite grasp what the emissions test in NZ actually involves? Even if you pass it your still at the mercy of the god squad. Plain fact is the Diesel in NZ is crap and that does not help to the maintainance of the diesel fleets.

I also dont think you can grasp some of the penalities that are being imposed to fudging through an emissions test either. You get spotted by the god squad belching black smoke and then fudge a test they can order you to, I wouldnt like your chances.

Its a long time coming as CaM has pointed out compared to the UK diesels are truly 3rd world in NZ.

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:49 am

CaM wrote:it's pretty sweet if you do an lpg conversion and run it dedicated. there's again the cost of setup + extra certing + extra rego charges so.......

going to see that diesel bx for $700 tonight (just rang him to confirm) so will report back if i get it. i really need to not have any more cars but i'm keen to have one for a month or so. I should be able to get it roadworthy within a few dyas and easily sell it for what it would owe me if it all goes well.
heck, it'd be cheaper to rego and wof than my vespa soon anyay and cost similar money to commute in so why not

At least it has 3 months WOF and 4 months rego on it still. Cant go wrong really unless the engine is stuffed by overheating? When I saw the qoute

I drove the car home

and knowing what welly hill suburbs are like that dont ring well especially as the warning lights of death are just that lights of death.

CaM · Post by **CaM** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:07 am

it's in a fairly flat part of wellington so might be ok. will press the question and see what reaction i get........

edit: if it shows any sign of weakness due to overheating then i'll walk away. engiens or parts of are impossible to get here. I've got a bx that needs love more than this one anyway and plenty of other projects. if it's an easy fix, though, i'd be keen
heck, teh hole in the radiator may be really quite small and he may have been able to limp it home

jonathan_dyane · Post by **jonathan_dyane** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:46 am

kiwi wrote:I really dont think you can quite grasp what the emissions test in NZ actually involves? Even if you pass it your still at the mercy of the god squad.

As far as I am aware, the emissions test in NZ involves the snap acceleration method, where the vehicle is taken to maximum governed revs and smoke opacity measured, the same test used in the rest of the developed world.

In the UK, the limit is set at 2.5m-1 for naturally aspirated engines and 3.0m-1 for turbo diesels. ETNZ (Emissions Testing NZ) literature gives a limit for 4.0m-1 for pre-2008 diesels, which is rather less rigorous than the UK emissions test, which personally I have never really had difficulty passing, the trouble only really starts if someone has been messing with the fuelling or the injection equipment is worn out (which usually takes many miles, the highest mileage XUD TE I have yet had still easily passed the test with 220000 miles plus on the clock, and the original pump, injectors, and no work to the engine bar a head gasket.)

Naturally I cannot comment on the quality of the diesel available in NZ, not having experienced it first hand. That said, the reports I have heard complain of 'dirt' and 'water' in the diesel, and whilst neither of which is a desirable state of affairs, provided the diesel filter is changed more regularly to suit and water drained from the trap regularly emissions would not be effected in the slightest. Anecdotally, I feel I must report the experiences of an environmentally conscious acquaintance, who was having been employed to clear some land for a new development came across a tank of red diesel, which had been lying rusting for many years, and selflessly disposed of in a controlled manner by burning it in his diesel car. Despite water and rust flakes being very much present, with the aid of a filter funnel our hero was able to dispose of the lot, and having followed the said vehicle whilst burning it's ruby red fuel I can report that it did not smoke excessively. The smell of red diesel being burnt does have a distinctive odour however, which would have given the game away to anyone 'in the know' with a good nose...

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:50 am

jonathan_dyane wrote:
kiwi wrote:I really dont think you can quite grasp what the emissions test in NZ actually involves? Even if you pass it your still at the mercy of the god squad.
As far as I am aware, the emissions test in NZ involves the snap acceleration method, where the vehicle is taken to maximum governed revs and smoke opacity measured, the same test used in the rest of the developed world.

In the UK, the limit is set at 2.5m-1 for naturally aspirated engines and 3.0m-1 for turbo diesels. ETNZ (Emissions Testing NZ) literature gives a limit for 4.0m-1 for pre-2008 diesels, which is rather less rigorous than the UK emissions test, which personally I have never really had difficulty passing, the trouble only really starts if someone has been messing with the fuelling or the injection equipment is worn out (which usually takes many miles, the highest mileage XUD TE I have yet had still easily passed the test with 220000 miles plus on the clock, and the original pump, injectors, and no work to the engine bar a head gasket.)

Naturally I cannot comment on the quality of the diesel available in NZ, not having experienced it first hand. That said, the reports I have heard complain of 'dirt' and 'water' in the diesel, and whilst neither of which is a desirable state of affairs, provided the diesel filter is changed more regularly to suit and water drained from the trap regularly emissions would not be effected in the slightest. Anecdotally, I feel I must report the experiences of an environmentally conscious acquaintance, who was having been employed to clear some land for a new development came across a tank of red diesel, which had been lying rusting for many years, and selflessly disposed of in a controlled manner by burning it in his diesel car. Despite water and rust flakes being very much present, with the aid of a filter funnel our hero was able to dispose of the lot, and having followed the said vehicle whilst burning it's ruby red fuel I can report that it did not smoke excessively. The smell of red diesel being burnt does have a distinctive odour however, which would have given the game away to anyone 'in the know' with a good nose...

I got to admit I had a little bit of a chuckle as I read your reply

Let me tell you about the last WOF emission test. It basically is start the car couple of blips on the accelerator...any undue smoke...nope then thats ok. It is a visual test there is no standard that says a electronic measuring device is needed to check the emissions of a vehicle. Yes not what you read on the internet is it? There was a lot of fuss a couple of years ago when they tried to force testing stations to use the elctronic gizmos and the cost factor is what prevented it coming as compulsory for testing stations.

You simply got to throw money at diesels over here to make up for the crappy fuel thats sold.

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:53 am

CaM wrote:it's in a fairly flat part of wellington so might be ok. will press the question and see what reaction i get........

edit: if it shows any sign of weakness due to overheating then i'll walk away. engiens or parts of are impossible to get here. I've got a bx that needs love more than this one anyway and plenty of other projects. if it's an easy fix, though, i'd be keen
heck, teh hole in the radiator may be really quite small and he may have been able to limp it home

If its true about the tyres then they are worth $400 alone.

You thought about a transplant engine if need be from a Pug? For some reason there are plenty of Pug diesels around?

CaM · Post by **CaM** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:01 am

it's a given that non diesel run smokier where you are compared to down here though. altitude makes a remarkable difference. I've seen it on a few diesels i've run around the country many a time. more smoke around taihape and higher, esp if it's non turbo stuff.
funnily enough, option coding on jap trucks have reference to the altitude they've been specced to run at as well.