Struts still creaking after trying magic cure

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Struts still creaking after trying magic cure

Post by mnde »

A couple of weekends ago I tried the magic cure as follows:

1) Put car in high, turned steering to full lock to expose strut area
2) Liberally sprayed strut return hoses with plenty of brake cleaner, pulled off from return pipes, cleaned ends thoroughly using swarfega wipes
3) Set car to low height. Hoses pissed out dirty fluid
4) Started car, selected "high" position then got out quickly, reached into wheelarch, got hold of hose ends and sunk them into a jug of fresh LHM. Waited for car to assume full height.
5) Cleaned off rigid pipe ends and pushed the hoses back home
6) Set the car to low height, and then normal.
7) Repeated from step 1 the other side

The struts are still as jerky/creaky as before, even after pouring LHM/lubricating spray into the holes at the tops of the struts. Access to the nearside strut hole was difficult because for some silly reason it's facing outwards towards the inner wing... :?

This bugs me, because although when I first got the car the struts were rather stiff and creaky, after a session of Citaerobics they were as smooth as anything all the way from top to bottom! What would make them suddenly get creaky again? And I've tried regular Citaerobics again, but this time with little success.

Suggestions anyone? Is it a good idea to clean and lube under the gaiter as well?? Oh shit, I just realised I haven't tried the LHM soaked rag under the gaiter trick... Hmmm.

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Post by Stewart (oily!) »

I use the strip of towelling under the gaiter too, soaked in gear oil as I recall, it may take a few miles for the lubrication to work itself around, did you notice whether your jug of LHM had any less in it afterwards?
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Post by jeremy »

For general lubrication purposes - like lubricating the external strut slide LHM is as good as useless as it just doesn't hang around. I found even something thin like 3 in 1 worked quite well and have used engine oil (not that good) and anything else to hand that I could get in there. Someone on this site I think suggested chain saw oil and I got some the other day and I must say it looks nice and sticky when it dries a bit and may well hang around and do its job. (3 in 1 was used while I was on holiday and one strut went very stiff.)

These cars (well mine at least) is very sensitive to ride height and if it doesn't attain the correct height the ride is very rough. The height corrector linkage must be nice and free for it to work properly - and if you raise the car then drop it and the ride improves then you have some idea where the problem is.

Finally eventually the struts do wear out but my experience has been that the final limit is when the leakoff pipes blow off due to the volume of LHM returning through them. However new struts really does make the ride much better!

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Post by ken newbold »

You could always try my magic cure, Fit new ones. :lol:
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Post by Gareth Wales »

I use anti-fling chainsaw oil (the oil intended to lubricate the chain) soaked overnight into the towelling belt of an old dressing gown. Works best if this particularly viscous oil it heated a bit before dunking the belt in it. Bits of the belt are secured by cable ties. Works well for months.
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Post by AlanS »

The holes at the strut top look like it's a case of one open, one blocked. In fact the strut gaitor is jammed up in that area and is easily removed by pushing the bit that looks like it's blocked in with the finger and then hauling down on the gaitor under the guard. The entire gaitor will then slide down the strut exposing the shiny area.
I wash off with WD40 or similar and wipe clean, then coat with silicone grease. Try some Citaerobics and check the strut where the silver part meets the strut body. If it's full of black crap, wash off again with WD and repeat dose. Then refit gaitor by jamming it upwards into strut top andwriggling around until the two locators are refitted back into the holes in the top.
Incorrect height setting will make it ride rougher than usual, but will have no effect on jerkiness unless the height has caused the strut to be operating in an area of the strut that it didn't work on prior to incorrect height being set.
Playing with heights, check out my posting on safety.

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Post by ernst stavro blofeld »

Part 3 of your description gives the answer. Dirty fluid emerged.
Your struts are broken.
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Post by Stewart (oily!) »

I disagree, dirty LHM emerging would mean it had been there a long time, cleam LHM coming out might mean a lot is getting past the seal.
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Post by Ian_Fearn »

I agree with Stewart.

The solution isnt always to fit new struts!! I bought brand new struts which had probably been on the shelf a long time as they were knackered.

No amount of lubing could fix them.

I'd seriously suggest getting some Pleiades re-con struts. I think they were about 80quid when i last looked.
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