Fuel tax protest 2011

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:23 am

Very enlightening information saves me explaing it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax

kermit the frog · Post by **kermit the frog** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:21 am

It's all a load of cobblers

We live in the age of global warming.

The biggest tax break for all governments the world over.
There are only 2 certain thing's in life Death and Taxes and even after you die they Tax you
So we must learn to live with the fact that they, whoever they are WILL tax the thing's we use.
The next thing will be the air that we breath afterall it must be getting well used by now and as far as i am aware they don't make it anymore.

Kermit/ Phil

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:05 am

kermit the frog wrote:We live in the age of global warming.

Might not be where you are but it is here

Third warmest december since records began in 1909...now there is evidence

and the thrid warmest year ever recorded again since 1909

The next thing will be the air that we breath

Erm yea you better ask the Maoris about that they seem to want a buck for everything lately including the air we breathe which apparently the British Colonists stole from them including land, water, ocean etc etc etc

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Gibbo2286 · Post by **Gibbo2286** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:01 am

It might interest you to know that allowing for inflation the price of fuel today is very close to the price it was when I first started selling it in 1950 and cars nowadays travel more miles to the gallon than they did at that time, also need less maintenance, so motoring is in effect cheaper today than in 1950.

The first gallon of petrol I sold was 1/11d (one shilling and eleven pence) just short of 10p in decimal currency. A month after my first sale the government raised the tax by 4d bringing the price to 2/3d (11.25p) and the press said it would be the end of motoring for the ordinary man, well we all know that didn't happen.

Motorists will sell their wives and kids before they get rid of ther cars.

Gibbo.

sdelasal · Post by **sdelasal** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:11 pm

it's also worth remembering that as vehicles get more fuel efficient so fuel tax needs to increase so as to maintain constant or increasing government tax revenue. So for example if we all drove around on 50cc mopeds doing 100MPG, then fuel tax would have to be a lot higher.

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:15 pm

kermit the frog wrote:It's all a load of cobblers
We live in the age of global warming.
The biggest tax break for all governments the world over.
There are only 2 certain thing's in life Death and Taxes and even after you die they Tax you
So we must learn to live with the fact that they, whoever they are WILL tax the thing's we use.
The next thing will be the air that we breath afterall it must be getting well used by now and as far as i am aware they don't make it anymore.

Kermit/ Phil

...and I think "they" is us, innit?

Dollywobbler · Post by **Dollywobbler** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:23 pm

I do get very amused by this feeling some motorists have that we somehow have a RIGHT to cheaper fuel. Wake up and smell the octane. Oil is increasing in demand worldwide while the amount out there is reducing because it's a finite resource. Even a blindfolded donkey can see that prices are only going to go one way.

I don't complain even though my Landy only does 15mpg. I'm just enjoying dino-juice while we still have some. Things are going to get a LOT worse, and one day there will be no dino-juice left at all. You can't just pretend this isn't the case.

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:53 pm

There will be equivalent fuels - but not for everyone, and not in the way that we expect to enjoy energy at the moment.

Population control is looking a realistic option for the not too distant future too!

Edit: spelling

johnbird · Post by **johnbird** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:10 pm

i think a hydrogen powered fuel cell(generator) providing power for electric motors is the way we will go.it can supply cheapish fuel and produce enough power to drive a car of similar dimensions and weight that we use now,which is an important factor as so much expensive infrastructure is already set up for cars of the current dimensions.
there will always be a way to drive the internal combustion engine using man made/produced fuel-sugar cane and rape seed oil-but in a world of spiralling occupancy utilising land for growing fuel over food will make it expensive.
there is of course the strong possibility that our greedy resource robbing generation will discover untold riches of fossil fuels beneath the polar ice caps in which case god help the polar bears and penguins..................

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:32 pm

I agree with the hydrogen route, but it does have its drawbacks: pretty big fuel tanks will be needed unless some energy is used to either compress the hydrogen gas, or cool it enough to liquefy it. It's a lot more combustible too... another, less intuitive problem, is the scarcity of precious metals/minerals needed to build the fuel cells, as well as the geopolitical connotations of obtaining them. Plus points are that hydrogen gas could be produced by renewables whilst their electrical output is not required for other purposes; the only emission from hydrogen fuel cells is water, so there would be none of the detrimental effects of fossil fuel combustion.

Overall, it should have a place in our energy bank, but maybe we will get to choose from a mix of power sources for personal transportation. It could all turn out very well...

johnbird · Post by **johnbird** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:38 pm

you can be certain that if a chap in a white coat invents a fuel from grass thats free we will get taxed to death on lawnmowers!
one way or another we are going to pay hefty tax bills.hydrogen does seem to be the favourite alternative energy though.
my nephew got a first in chemistry at oxford-did all the easy a levels maths physics and chemistry ,not a suggestion of woodwork-and hes doing research into lithium batteries.apparently as you said the raw materials needed for the batteries make them a bit of a blind alley.
hydrogen will be tricky to store and dispense thats for sure.

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:45 pm

Necessity is the mother of all invention - as someone said

kiwi · Post by **kiwi** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:50 pm

Dollywobbler wrote:I do get very amused by this feeling some motorists have that we somehow have a RIGHT to cheaper fuel. Wake up and smell the octane. Oil is increasing in demand worldwide while the amount out there is reducing because it's a finite resource. Even a blindfolded donkey can see that prices are only going to go one way.

I don't complain even though my Landy only does 15mpg. I'm just enjoying dino-juice while we still have some. Things are going to get a LOT worse, and one day there will be no dino-juice left at all. You can't just pretend this isn't the case.

Agree with you on that!

It amuses me when the price goes down no one really considers that it will go back up again and the drop is only temporary, so adjust to it while its high and enjoy the low.

When I left the UK the price was 73.9p which was about nz$2.05 so really I got a good deal and run until the peak in what was it May 2008 then enjoyed the slump. Only now it is back to that price and over the $2 mark and now just got to adapt and say to myself it was a good run I got as a bonus.

Funny eh I remeber complaining about petrol hitting 54p per litre during the Kuwait crisis

Post by **Defender110** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:02 pm

sdelasal wrote:it's also worth remembering that as vehicles get more fuel efficient so fuel tax needs to increase so as to maintain constant or increasing government tax revenue. So for example if we all drove around on 50cc mopeds doing 100MPG, then fuel tax would have to be a lot higher.

Exactly right

Same goes for the domestic energy suppliers, they all want us to use less so they can produce less whilst charging us more. The purse has to remain full wether we spend or save.

Post by **Defender110** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:06 pm

Dollywobbler wrote:I do get very amused by this feeling some motorists have that we somehow have a RIGHT to cheaper fuel. Even a blindfolded donkey can see that prices are only going to go one way.

How does the donkey know that then?