Lighting Issue

BX Tech talk
kiwi
Over 2k
Posts: 2380
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 am
Location: Nouvelle Zealande
x 4

Lighting Issue

Post by kiwi »

Not sure how to sort this one.

Driving home tonight and have noticed this before on those rare occassions I drive in the dark. The headlights seemed to be flickering, not out completly just diming for a fraction of a second making them look like they were flickering. My passenger noted that the dash lights were also diming/flickering slightly.

Now the problem is when I stopped the flickering goes. Its like a vibration flicker! Fault somewhere just not sure where.
1991 BX19 TZS 04/01/91 (Deceased)
1990 BX19 TRS 27/10/89 (Reborn)
1992 BX19 TXD (Ex UK - K 744 SDF) 15/06/92
1990 BX19 TZS Auto 06/11/1989
1992 BX TZD Turbo Estate (Ex UK) 1/07/91
User avatar
mat_fenwick
Moderator
Posts: 7330
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:08 pm
Location: North Wales
x 22

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by mat_fenwick »

Can you jack it up securely and have it idling in 5th to recreate some of the vibration? It might be a bugger to find otherwise.
Image

1993 1.9 TZD Turbo Estate
1996 3.9 V8 Discovery
1993 VW LT35 campervan
1985 Hyundai Stellar V8
2016 Hyundai iLoad
Dollywobbler
Over 2k
Posts: 3940
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:25 pm
Location: Wales

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by Dollywobbler »

I'd be checking the earth for the battery as a first measure. Terminals clean? Any corrosion on the earth strap?
User avatar
Tim Leech
Over 2k
Posts: 15629
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:12 am
Location: Derbyshire
My Cars: Various
x 178

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by Tim Leech »

Is the battery light coming on at all on the dash?
Lots of Motors, mostly semi broken....
kiwi
Over 2k
Posts: 2380
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 am
Location: Nouvelle Zealande
x 4

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by kiwi »

No dashboard warning lights and as for jacking it up....and letting it run in 5th. That means clocking up miles and they cost money here to do on a Diesel (Road User Charges we pay by the mile)

Does sound like an Earthing fault or loose wire. I can see it being one those annoying ones to sort out.
1991 BX19 TZS 04/01/91 (Deceased)
1990 BX19 TRS 27/10/89 (Reborn)
1992 BX19 TXD (Ex UK - K 744 SDF) 15/06/92
1990 BX19 TZS Auto 06/11/1989
1992 BX TZD Turbo Estate (Ex UK) 1/07/91
User avatar
Tim Leech
Over 2k
Posts: 15629
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:12 am
Location: Derbyshire
My Cars: Various
x 178

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by Tim Leech »

It could be an earthing issue as mentioned then I imagine, it has been known for alternators to put out too much power (our 1991 TGD did that and kept blowing fuses and bulbs).
Lots of Motors, mostly semi broken....
kiwi
Over 2k
Posts: 2380
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 am
Location: Nouvelle Zealande
x 4

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by kiwi »

Interesting I had a blown headlight bulb the other day I replaced, might just be coincidence.

IF the alternator is throwing out to much power would an alternator from a petrol 19 work with the Diesel 19? I am covering my basis as I know the TZS Aircons have more powerful alternators than the 19TRS and 16RS alternators I have floating around.
1991 BX19 TZS 04/01/91 (Deceased)
1990 BX19 TRS 27/10/89 (Reborn)
1992 BX19 TXD (Ex UK - K 744 SDF) 15/06/92
1990 BX19 TZS Auto 06/11/1989
1992 BX TZD Turbo Estate (Ex UK) 1/07/91
User avatar
electrokid
1K Away
Posts: 1764
Joined: Fri May 09, 2008 2:14 pm
Location: Woking

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by electrokid »

Worn brush(es) in the alternator could cause this, or dirt on the slipring, or slipring worn eccentrically.
1992 BX19 TGD estate 228K Rusty - SORNed
2002 C5 HDi SX estate
User avatar
Tim Leech
Over 2k
Posts: 15629
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:12 am
Location: Derbyshire
My Cars: Various
x 178

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by Tim Leech »

It took AGES to find out why this was happening as the car at the time was probably less than 2 years old. The radio kept loosing its code to as the fuse in the back of that kept going.

Worth checking to see what the alternators throwing out voltage wise?
Lots of Motors, mostly semi broken....
kiwi
Over 2k
Posts: 2380
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 am
Location: Nouvelle Zealande
x 4

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by kiwi »

Ask again if the Alternator at fault would a alternator from petrol BX19/16 work? I know the ones with aircon are more powerful not sure about diesels still learning.
1991 BX19 TZS 04/01/91 (Deceased)
1990 BX19 TRS 27/10/89 (Reborn)
1992 BX19 TXD (Ex UK - K 744 SDF) 15/06/92
1990 BX19 TZS Auto 06/11/1989
1992 BX TZD Turbo Estate (Ex UK) 1/07/91
mike22861
BXpert
Posts: 510
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:04 am
Location: South Shields Tyneside

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by mike22861 »

The alternator on my 19 TGD (XUD9 engine) is different to the one on the Gti the fixings are different. a diesel should be easy to source any of the citroen peugeot xud9s cant imagine a 2nd hand one being expensive or swap the brush pack first probably dirty worn brushes tho i'm more inclined to check the earth wiring first on the Gtis the alternator has a seperate earth wire its not unknown for the terminal to break off the wire at the engine end.
1992 BX 4x4 Gti aircon Silver
1991 BX 19 TGD Red(the Red Baron)
1993 BX 17 TZD Red the new Daily
1986 BX 16 RS Leader (The only 1 left I believe)
2003 Landrover Defender 110 CSW TD5
1985 Landrover Defender 90 4SC County
some other newer Nissans
User avatar
mat_fenwick
Moderator
Posts: 7330
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:08 pm
Location: North Wales
x 22

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by mat_fenwick »

A diesel alternator will probably be harder to source over there though. As I recall, the diesel alternators generally have a slightly lower output than the petrols. I can't remember whether pulley sizes are different to give the same alternator rpm at the (lower) max engine rpm though.
I've fitted a diesel alternator onto a 16v engine with no issues. But I would suggest doing more investigation before swapping parts.
Image

1993 1.9 TZD Turbo Estate
1996 3.9 V8 Discovery
1993 VW LT35 campervan
1985 Hyundai Stellar V8
2016 Hyundai iLoad
User avatar
JayW
1K Away
Posts: 1590
Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:40 pm
Location: Now listen here you mullet...
x 13

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by JayW »

All the alternators have the same voltage output, it's just the amperage that varies. IIRC you should be gettind 13.8-14.4v with the engine running.

As for fittings, i couldn't comment! Though i'm pretty sure Mat's right about the pulley sizes.
I have zero patience for your tedium.
User avatar
smiffy1071
pies are evil!
Posts: 255
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:05 pm
Location: Bristol

Re: Lighting Issue

Post by smiffy1071 »

I'd put money on it being the alternator telling you it's on its way out. I had this happen to me for a couple of weeks, before it failed 200 miles away from home!