Jobs, muddy lanes, and some miles covered for the 16TZS

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Jobs, muddy lanes, and some miles covered for the 16TZS

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Well I picked up the White tzs from York today for £380. I will post some pics when it's had a wash. Writing this from ferry on way back to ireland. And I'm glad to say I had time to pop in and see Mat Fenwick for a cuppa on the way.

It seems like a pretty good car. It needs a few things doing namely urgent acc sphere, rear spheres, sort the rust (not bad), rear wheels leaning but no bearing noise or stiffness yet.

The thing that is bugging me though is the clutch. It will only engage gears especially 1st and reverse with pedal firmly in the floor and it takes a fair bit of effort, not right. Biting point begins just off floor and fully takes up nearer top,similar to my last one, it's just in my last Bx I could change gear by depressing clutch half way as well most of the time. The guy who sold it to me is a mechanic and made an adjustment which made a slight bit of difference, I'll have to try tightening the cable some more. I suppose it could be low gearbox oil, I'm hoping nothing expensive is worn or a previous owner has been crunching the gears.
I'm beginning to think I should have walked away from it as the clutch thing wasn't explained to me before hand. I'm wondering now why I handed over the cash. Hopefully it's not that bad and I can sort it myself. I'm kicking myself a bit cos I know of a well sorted mk1 for more money, I wish I'd just got that. Either way I'll now have to sell my Xm to fund my experiments and adventures, get this Bx sorted and I think I might have that mk1 as well ! :o
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Re: Jobs, muddy lanes, and some miles covered for the 16TZS

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maxgreenwood wrote:I had time to pop in and see Mat Fenwick for a cuppa on the way.
A very quick cuppa given the ferry time! Good to meet up again anyway and glad you made it to the ferry.
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Well, at least it didn't break down! (At least in the UK)... I think there is something to keep in perspective: you cannot expect to buy a BX for under £400 and NOT have issues. Regarding spheres and bearings etc. you might expect that as a matter of course. I hope it isn't leaking significantly, or that the engine shows sign of weakness/smokiness. As for the clutch, a change of fluid (good, correct Total stuff) and a dose of Activ8 (Kermit swears by it!) and further adjustment (although I assumed these were self-adjusting?) might see easier gear changes: Also, it's a new car for you and there's an element of getting used to it's foibles...

If not: it's a clutch job. But let's face it, once everything's fixed - clutch, spheres, bearings, rust and so on, it's still going to cost you less than a decent XM diesel. And how much is the Mk. 1? (And can you be sure that won't need work?)

Best enjoy it, Max. Don't concentrate too much on the fixable negatives... and enjoy driving a BX once more :)
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By my logic, it can't be a worn clutch as it is well away from the point of slipping. Stretched/poorly adjusted cable I reckon, or possibly a bent release arm?
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mat_fenwick wrote:By my logic, it can't be a worn clutch as it is well away from the point of slipping. Stretched/poorly adjusted cable I reckon, or possibly a bent release arm?
That, or in the worst-case scenario, badly worn pressure plate springs (pic). With fair probability, the root cause of the problem (if it's stretching) is insufficient lubrication of the L shaped lever at the gearbox end of the cable.
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Has the car been sat for any length of time? Corrosion/gunge on the input shaft spines can stop the friction plate moving properly on the splines – often goes away with a bit of use.
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had the same problem gear wise twice, most recently with a low mileage 16 which had recently had a new clutch too. A quick adjustment of the cable both times sorted it, if it were me though I would fit a new one whilst your at it.
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Had to adjust the clutch on mine due to gear selection issues. Sooo much nicer now!
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yes i don't think this is going to turn out to be such a big job. I've ordered a new clutch cable today, the L-shaped arm looks ok but i'll have to get someone to press the pedal so i can have a look / lube it up.

Thanks Phil for your much needed positivity, and everyone else here for tips. I was very tired when i wrote that after travelling and driving all-day, up nearly 24 hours.
I hope it isn't leaking significantly, or that the engine shows sign of weakness/smokiness.
no leaks detected as yet and pipes + returns seem good fingers crossed. Engine pulls well, tappety or knocking or something if booted when cold, ok when warm. no smoke detected yet. It's a little spluttery at times, i think i need to get into the carb with some cleaner and also check the fuelling.
As for the clutch, a change of fluid (good, correct Total stuff) and a dose of Activ8 (Kermit swears by it!) and further adjustment (although I assumed these were self-adjusting?) might see easier gear changes: Also, it's a new car for you and there's an element of getting used to it's foibles...
Got some penetrating oil on the gearbox oil filler bolt as couldn't shift it the other day, i'm hoping it's low and a top up will make a difference.
If not: it's a clutch job. But let's face it, once everything's fixed - clutch, spheres, bearings, rust and so on, it's still going to cost you less than a decent XM diesel. And how much is the Mk. 1? (And can you be sure that won't need work?)
Yes if i get everything else sorted on the car and i can afford it, i would consider a new clutch. I specifically wanted to change the XM and get a manual again cos i miss driving the machine. I really like this little 16 engine and the fact you have to work it through the gears a bit, but for that the clutch and box do need to be good.

AND - i sooooooooo much prefer if to the XM! I wasn't sure if i would, but i have again found my home. The PAS is really good on this one too, tight, much better than my last. The lighter engine probably helps. I love the styling of this model too.

The Mk1 is a 19RD which Wolsey House Motors have, £1000 they want for it. Most of it has been completely overhauled mechanically, engine, gearbox. It's got some cosmetic rust patch ups and welding to the front sub-frame, 170,000 miles. But i kind of think it's worth it, they'll fit new discs and pads before sale and make sure everything is spot on. I'm actually going to have a look at it in about a week and a half! If i can sell the XM for a decent price i may well go for this one as well. :roll:
Best enjoy it, Max. Don't concentrate too much on the fixable negatives... and enjoy driving a BX once more Smile
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Mines a bit more vocal when cold, think its part of the "charm".
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good! I have to say i really like this motor. I'd like to get the carb / timing checked but it seems to pull pretty well. Torque in 3rd is nice. It's so different from the TZD turbo, which was very fast, but i like the way you have to work this one. I imagine it's a bit like an old Renault 5 or something. I was unsure whether I would but i so much prefer this BX to my XM... Light, cheaply made, fun, visibility is great, feel so much more in contact with the road. but most of all fun. It always feels like you're going alot faster than you are in a BX compared to more modern cars, and that has to be a good thing. :)
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So what's the new 70s aquisition you mentioned in the Citronian then Tim? A Renault 4?
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ah sorry just read the R4 didn't have an air cooled engine.. i just realised it's the blue VW Beetle. :oops:
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'89 19TRS auto, Olympic Blue, 133k
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maxgreenwood wrote:ah sorry just read the R4 didn't have an air cooled engine.. i just realised it's the blue VW Beetle. :oops:
Ah ha yes and if everything in life was as reliable as a VW......it has some issues!
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