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WTF is in for her annual inspection, oil change, a pair of drop links and ball joints to cure the "clattery" front end. :roll:

Its done about 400 miles since last year :oops: so I cant imagine much to be wrong! :lol:
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Good luck Tim!
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FAIL! :roll:

NSF headlamp aim too low (easy fix)

Washers Poor (blocked easy fix)

N/S AND O/S Steering Rack Knuckle Joints Have Excessive Play!

Right what does he mean by these knuckles then lol (already ordered £12 each)
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Think we've just had this one on another thread :(

Does he mean "track rod ends" or "steering rack inner joints" :?:

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Funnily enough I've just woken the 205 from its winter rest for an MOT today. Happily enough it's passed with only a couple of advisories, but again, it's only done about 2k miles since last year so I wasn't too worried. Cost has gone up a fiver to £40 though. :(

I'm a bit puzzled though - if you've just ordered the knuckles then which did you order? Of if they're ordered them you'll find out soon enough. I don't think we can tell from here!

It's probably just a pre-selected option on the MOT system that doesn't let the tester be any more specific on the fail sheet.
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ken newbold wrote:Think we've just had this one on another thread :(

Does he mean "track rod ends" or "steering rack inner joints" :?:
It had new steering arms/track rods last year so its the steering rack inner ball joints this time!

Ive sent the balljoint and drop links back as they are fine.
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Roverman wrote:.........................
Right what does he mean by these knuckles then lol (already ordered £12 each)
ken newbold wrote:Think we've just had this one on another thread :(
Does he mean "track rod ends" or "steering rack inner joints" :?:
Tim, As Ken has stated /\ , read thro' that thread (LINK) because in my experience (When changing the N/S knuckle/joint) on PAS models you will also need the Steering Protector (Rubber Boot):- 91 507 343 as described in the linked/thread !

The Citroen tool to remove/change the knuckle joint is '8.0707-T' if you can borrow one, or alternatively I've used a large plumbers wrench to remove/change them in past with no problems !

You can see what the tool looks like in this PDF which also shows you how to get to the knuckle joints from under the gaiter and the steering protector (Rubber boot) which normal gets Fubared (fig. ref. '82-2147 & 82-2146' ) in the PDF (Note that the PDF is for a LHD model) !

If your getting your workshop/mechanics to change them for you I'd print off the PDF to show them what the job/task involves !

Also check that a new washer lock/plate comes with the knuckle joint's !
These fit between the end of the inner rack and the knuckle joints (See fig. ref. '86-1228' of the PDF) if there after market ones they maybe supplied, as the washer lock/plate were NLA by the main Citroen dealer many many moons ago !

If the washer lock/plate are not supplied with the new/replacement knuckles give me a call and I'll explain to you what you'll need to do, to enable to re-use the old ones !

I hope this is of help to you/others.

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Thanks for the that, the gaitors are fine, so as long a sthey are careful Im hoping they wont need to be changed.
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Parts are here, they are mid way in stripping the steering rack out, he cant get at the offending parts with it in situ and we cant get a tool from anywhere so its a case of take the rack out and then get the joints off wich wont be cheap :oops: .
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Roverman wrote:Parts are here, they are mid way in stripping the steering rack out, he cant get at the offending parts with it in situ and we cant get a tool from anywhere so its a case of take the rack out and then get the joints off wich wont be cheap :oops: .
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Who's he ?
Is it one of the mechanics where you work doing the work in your workshops ?

As I had no problems replacing the knuckle joint's with the rack in situ on my drive at home !

I replaced them on a DTR Turbo (Which I had at the time) lying on my back with the car supported on axle stand's, so if it is your workplace with all the best facilities available to them (I.E. the choice of every type of hydraulic lift/ramp) what the hell are they faffing around at :roll:

As regards to the removal tool I used to remove the knuckle joints, as already stated in my previous posting I used a plumbers wrench to to unscrew them !

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RxBX wrote:
Roverman wrote:Parts are here, they are mid way in stripping the steering rack out, he cant get at the offending parts with it in situ and we cant get a tool from anywhere so its a case of take the rack out and then get the joints off wich wont be cheap :oops: .
Tim,
Who's he ?
Is it one of the mechanics where you work doing the work in your workshops ?

As I had no problems replacing the knuckle joint's with the rack in situ on my drive at home !

I replaced them on a DTR Turbo (Which I had at the time) lying on my back with the car supported on axle stand's, so if it is your workplace with all the best facilities available to them (I.E. the choice of every type of hydraulic lift/ramp) what the hell are they faffing around at :roll:

As regards to the removal tool I used to remove the knuckle joints, as already stated in my previous posting I used a plumbers wrench to to unscrew them !

:)

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Yes its my friendly mechanic, who has tried to get at the joints on the car but cant get a wrench at them as things are in the way. Im kinda stuck as its failed its MOT, which has expired so will need to get it done and I cant do it myself!
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Now I'm pretty adventurous when it comes to doing my own work on the cars.

So when I needed to replace the axial ball joints I was keen to do so with everything in situ...but as hard as I looked and tried there was no way that I could see getting a wrench of any sort in the space provided to remove these parts....

Eventually I had to remove the whole rack.. certainly no walk in the park but did allow me to clean everything up and ensured i replaced a very tired the hardi disk as well. Whilst it was off the gaitors were a snap.

So ..I'd agree I cant see the job possible with the rack in situ..but at the same time acknowledge that if it has been done it must be possible ..and props to those who manage to do it.
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Part number 91507343 is no longer available anywhere, mine disintigrated when it was removed

After speaking to NT Shaw they confirm the new part number is now 406621, have on here in the morning :lol:
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2BXORNOT2BX wrote:................
So when I needed to replace the axial ball joints I was keen to do so with everything in situ...but as hard as I looked and tried there was no way that I could see getting a wrench of any sort in the space provided to remove these parts....
You obviously, didn't try hard enough :wink:

So for the third and final time, I'll state that I DID change the knuckle joints on my BX DTR Turbo with the rack in situ, on a vehicle that had only done approx 53k :shock: and with a fresh MOT which was only 14 day's old prior to me buying the car :evil: (In fact my first BX) !

If I'd had the use of a proper workshop with lifts/ramps I'm sure I could have done the job in halve the time (Rather than lying on my back with the car supported on axle stands) !

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RxBX wrote:[So for the third and final time, I'll state that I DID change the knuckle joints on my BX DTR Turbo with the rack in situ, on a vehicle that had only done approx 53k :shock: and with a fresh MOT which was only 14 day's old prior to me buying the the car :evil: (In fact my first BX) !
Good for you.

Well volunteered for the next lot! :wink:

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