Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

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Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:16 am

I'm having trouble tracking down a new radiator for one of the TZDs and I vaguely seem to recall that GTi rads were the same. Can anyone confirm or deny? I've seen some all-aluminium (made in China) GTi rads which look interesting....
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by rutter123 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:10 pm

So far as i know they are different i have a gti with side header tank and a t/d with remote header tank, the gti rad is same as a 16 with tu eng. I believe The t/d rad has a bigger core to cope with the extra heat gen by the turbo, tho very similar in dims not interchangable.
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by Tinkley » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:07 pm

The 1.6 has the same rad as the 1.4 (150C for certain,not sure about TU), with one fan and no header tank. Be careful with not only radiator sizing but also some of the thermostat switches etc on the various models as they are not all identical.

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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:45 am

Good point about the thermo switches - I was focussed on whether the hose layout could be made to fit, and hadn't thought about switches...
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by rutter123 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:13 pm

The reason i say gti/16 has the same rad, recently took a punt on ebay 99p start listed as new bx 16 rad , checked, same dims as my gti rad, looked like same switch fittings, same header etc, turns out exactly same as gti rad from 86/91 so listing says. Tho nothong wrong with old one for 99p why not.
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:33 pm

Why not indeed! Just found a new old stock TD one for 144 quid, so will go for that, but would have preferred 99p! Especially as I'll need another one soon for the other TZD...
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by Mothman » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:11 pm

Kev, i know how you feel, bought one on ebay last year for 20 quid,[miss sold] its an all metal one, Nos, but ime afraid i have to keep it as a spare. Just dont know where i will be able to get another one.

When i had the head done on the turbo, the original rad was clogged up with rust and other crud, managed to find a 2nd hand one on the CCC website, and the guy actually delivered it to Malcolm in St Leonards for 40 quid and over 2 years later still working fine. Just have to keep looking, if i find another one for little money, will i be able to re sell it? Dont know.

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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by rutter123 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:24 pm

Could a rad from say, a pug 306 t/d or similar be adapted? Or xantia?
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:37 pm

Well, I ought to be able to answer that question, as I have a 306 TD outside as well.... Will have to look tomorrow!
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:05 pm

Took me while, but....
Yes, at first glance it looks like a 306TD one could be adapted. I think you'd have to use the Peugeot top hose as the rad exit is different, and maybe the hose to the oil filter cooler (which is probably more easily available than a BX one anyway) but otherwise the hose connections don't look a problem.
However.... the 306 rad is quite a bit thinner than the BX one. Presumably since it's cooling a similar but eve larger engine that shouldn't be a problem at all. What IS a problem is that as far as I can see there's no fan temp switch on the 306 rad, so presumably that's triggered from elsewhere... There's a screw-in plug just below the top house outlet, so perhaps that could be adapted to take the temp sensor, although that's not the ideal location for it ought to be near the bottom hose outlet really.
The biggest hassle is likely to be mounting it - mounting points and brackets are completely different. I think I might get one and try anyway - if I can't do it, I'll fit it to the 306 instead, as the rad on that's looking a bit past its sell-by date anyway!
The new old stock one I found turned out not to be a TD one at all... Someone somewhere on one of the central databases which all the parts companies use must have made a cock-up at some point, and listed something as for a TD when it's not, because I've seen quite a few 'standard' BX rads with header tanks listed as for TD, including by firms like Oscaro here in France.
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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by Mothman » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:17 pm

There is one on ebay that says its for a TD.

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Re: Radiators - are GTi the same as Turbo D?

Post by KevR » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:57 pm

This one...?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330837742688? ... #vi-ilComp

Saw that, but in the absence of a picture it's hard to tell.
Says it's for TRD, but also says it's for 405s etc....
Anyway, I've already emailed the seller, will see if he can confirm or deny.
Also looking at early Xantia TD rads - look promising, have the hole for the fan switch, but the top hose is on the opposite side so may make plumbing a bit difficult.
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