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BX Service time

Post by ba_barabus » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:41 pm

Hi guys,

I have a J-reg BX16 TGS auto and I'd like to do a good service on it.

I'll need oil (15w40 mineral oil), filters (air and oil), plugs, leads, distributor cap and a rotor arm.

However I'm having a difficulty finding out exactly which model I have. When I search on parts websites I'm getting different engine outputs and I don't know which one mine would be. Also would it have a CAT or not? If I'm correct it's a 94HP model but I'm not sure if it has a CAT.

Any help appreciated, or even advice as it'll be my first time working on the car.

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Re: BX Service time

Post by mds141 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:16 pm

IIRC the only BX's ( in the UK at least ) with a cat were the later fuel injected models, although I could be wrong. With regards to engine oil, I'd just stick to some 10W/40 semi-synthetic.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by Tinkley » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:09 am

The oil should be SEMI SYNTHETIC, not mineral. 10/40w is the normal temperate climate weight and any half decent stuff is absolutely fine. Total's version is the 7000 AFAIK so that will be factory spec.

You will also need a can of carb cleaner as it is well worth taking the top part of the carb off and flushing through. You can empty any crud from the float bowl and ensure all the passageways and jets are clean.

If you have a carb, which I believe it will, you have a XU52 B2C engine with the auto box, 4 ratios I believe, whereas the manual has 5 in a BE3 gearbox. That engine spec was the last prior to the fuel injected model.

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Re: BX Service time

Post by ba_barabus » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:13 am

Yep cheers for all that. That engine code seems likely as it has a single carb fitted.

ITs been sitting a while so probably no harm cleaning the carb out.

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Re: BX Service time

Post by citronut » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:26 pm

the engine type plate should be on the forward face of the block at/near the gearbox end

you could send me the chassis/VIN No. and i will run it by service citroen to see if it will give me/you the full characteristics list,
this includes engine/box type/code paint/trim colour/s codes and much much more

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Re: BX Service time

Post by KevR » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:32 pm

Tinkley wrote:The oil should be SEMI SYNTHETIC, not mineral.
Any particular reason? The only car I've ever used semi-synth in is the MX-5, and that was only by accident....
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Re: BX Service time

Post by Tim Leech » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:48 pm

A TGS DOESNT have a catalyst.

Dont use mineral oil, semi synth is the best.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by KevR » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:44 pm

Tim Leech wrote:A TGS DOESNT have a catalyst.

Dont use mineral oil, semi synth is the best.
Again, why?

If I use anything other than 20w/50 mineral oil in my old BMW bike (BMW now recommend full synth 10/40, but I think that's just because that's what their dealers now carry for newer models), it smokes like mad on startup and uses oil. If I use decent 20w/50 mineral it's fine.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by hilarystone » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:13 pm

I have always found the semi-synthetics to reduce oil consumption in older diesels – on one CX that used to use 1l/1500 miles on standard mineral oils then did 2500 miles per litre of semi-synthetic. The semi-synthetic oils have a good number of extra additives which all protection to the bearings.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by mds141 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:17 pm

That might be a characteristic of an air cooled lump Kev. VW Beetles are similarlliy affected if you use semi-synth in them. They have greater tolerances to allow for heat expansion and therefore semi-synth can creep past the gaps causing the smoke and greater emissions. One reason why BMW have now switched to air/water cooling for the latest flat twin boxers. Hope I'm not telling you stuff you already know. :)
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Re: BX Service time

Post by KevR » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:10 pm

Could well be the air-cooling - as you say, air-cooled engines tend to have larger tolerances. Speaking of the latest BMW Boxers, I'm off to Spain in a couple of weeks for the launch of the new R1200R, which should be fun!
But getting back to BXs (suitcase engines apart), they're not exactly finnicky modern lumps. they're low-revving (relatively) and fairly under-stressed. Both my BX TDs have over 200,000 miles on them, the 306 TD has 195k and the 106 1.5D has 170k. All on quality mineral oils. None of them use any oil between 6k changes. So I'm happy to stick with minerals I think.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by Tinkley » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:49 pm

I'm fairly sure I've used semi synth oil from my Ducati 250 circa 1975 onwards. On the 14RE with 150C I used the 15/50 Duckhams (semi synth) as the gearbox is unit type. As it did 175k and could have done more, it can't be too bad.... :wink:

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Re: BX Service time

Post by kernowtim » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:38 pm

I ran my long gone bx19rd on comma eurodiesel 15w40 semi synthetic for 9 years, thought I'd do the same on the latest one but comma have superseded it to a mineral oil, found some old stock lurking though! Should I use a thicker oil in an engine that's done 231000 miles?? Last car only made it to 174000!

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Re: BX Service time

Post by mds141 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:33 pm

KevR wrote:Could well be the air-cooling - as you say, air-cooled engines tend to have larger tolerances. Speaking of the latest BMW Boxers, I'm off to Spain in a couple of weeks for the launch of the new R1200R, which should be fun!
But getting back to BXs (suitcase engines apart), they're not exactly finnicky modern lumps. they're low-revving (relatively) and fairly under-stressed. Both my BX TDs have over 200,000 miles on them, the 306 TD has 195k and the 106 1.5D has 170k. All on quality mineral oils. None of them use any oil between 6k changes. So I'm happy to stick with minerals I think.
Enjoy the new 'Boxer'. I'm hoping to buy the latest GS Adventure sometime next year. The FireStorm is playing havoc with the prolapsed disc in my back. :D
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2000 XM VSX 2.1 td Auto. Rouge Magenta.
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Re: BX Service time

Post by KevR » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:59 pm

Everyone loves the GSs, but I've always thought they were overrated... Rubbish off road (too big, too heavy), and far too tall for most people, so they lower them, usually mostly at the back, which screws the (admittedly very good) handling. And I don't buy the whole adventure bike look, any more than I approve of the current crop of urban 4x4s. I like my bikes to look like bikes, not as if they'd been designed by a scaffolder and a five year-old, using a faulty Etch-a-Sketch...

Have you guessed I'm not a fan...? :wink:

If I were going to buy a GS, it would be the 800. But I still wouldn't.
Me, I'm looking forward more to the new R1200RS - half-faired, fairly sporty, but practical, like my old 1100RS!

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