FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

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FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by Pcheaven »

just a small FYI, in case you are bidding - I was / am / still undecided / considering bidding

Manor Park kindly sent me over an invoice that relates to a possible cam change on the vehicle.

Sadly, the invoice is dated 2011, its only for a cam belt with no tensioner or pump etc, and the invoice states a ZX 1.8, and not a BX 1.9 GTI

I don't think they are the same cam belts!,but either way the invoice implies the belt was changed 10 years ago.

So most likely it will need a new belt kit

As a by the by, Manor park auctions have been very helpful and responsive to my queries.

Oh, the reserve / minimum bid is £4600, excluding buyers premium of 15% - is this fair, or ambitious. I don't really know.
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1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
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4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
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Post by Kitch »

Is this the red one? With big wheels?
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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

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I think 15% commission is prob about right, with online bidding I reckon you're gonna be in it for £6000,a lot of dosh for what could be a potential money pit, but it's your money, and best of luck.
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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by Pcheaven »

Kitch wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:36 am
Is this the red one? With big wheels?

Yes h669gpj I think is the reg

I think it’s too dear- for a 4x4
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ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose

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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by Pcheaven »

rutter123 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:13 pm
I think 15% commission is prob about right, with online bidding I reckon you're gonna be in it for £6000,a lot of dosh for what could be a potential money pit, but it's your money, and best of luck.
I agree. 6k is too much. Unless you have spare parts and the time and tools to do clutch and cam belt etc

Not with standing the fragile 4x4 parts. Which I understand are not available at any price.

Not for me.
I would risk around 3k all in.

Still. Will watch with interest. As well as the other 4x4 owner who has their car in an upcoming auction...
BX Meteor. Sub 20000 miles. Very Original.

ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose

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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by Pcheaven »

provisionally sold at hammer for £5000 - this bid to be offered for the seller to accept, as it was below the reserve price

Made good money. certainly more than I would pay.
BX Meteor. Sub 20000 miles. Very Original.

ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose

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Post by Jaba »

Blimey Five grand for a BX unseen and with unknown history. One for the speculators.
I wonder what a good known one with a test drive in a private sale would go for?

I think Brad's 4x4 next month would be a much better bet.
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Post by Pcheaven »

Jaba wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:22 pm
Blimey Five grand for a BX unseen and with unknown history. One for the speculators.
I wonder what a good known one with a test drive in a private sale would go for?

I think Brad's 4x4 next month would be a much better bet.
There is no denying Brads looks very good in the many pictures he kindly sent me. That said so was the one at auction. It had huge amount of history and receipts.
Pretty sure the final bid was by someone in the room. So they definitely saw it

You never know with an auction.
BX Meteor. Sub 20000 miles. Very Original.

ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose

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Post by rutter123 »

I think 5k is still a bit rich, the cost of a cambelt would be the least of my worries as I'm sure replacing the potentially worn out 4x4 drive train could easily swallow up another 5k, that's if you can source parts.
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5k to repair the 4x4 system. !!
Must be one off made to spec parts

Ouch.
BX Meteor. Sub 20000 miles. Very Original.

ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose

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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by white exec »

BX 4x4 ? Personal thoughts...

The idea of having one of the few remaining working 4x4's is an attractive one, from the point of view of rarity.
Not quite as rare as a factory's one-off prototype (eg the Rover V8 P6BS, with its combined gearbox and rear diff and unique body), but similar challenges and potential costs.

Then there's the question of any driving advantages that could be had. Assuming climbing terrain and unmade and waterlogged track and riverbed isn't on the menu, there aren't many routes that a 2WD BX won't gobble up with ease, ride and grip.

OK, the GTi will be swift, especially the 16v, but this will be partly blunted by the extra weight and altered gearing of the 4x4 equipment. If speed and glue-like road holding is the goal, then the 2WD has it in spades. If torque and lugging-power is the aim, then it surely has to be a Citroen diesel.

Of course, it's all a personal choice. You will though, in the absence of extensive personal mechanical ability, a good workshop resource, and lots of time, need a very deep and elastic pocket.
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I got to know why a BX 4x4 has seats with back rests. That was when driving a downhill-skiing hill. From bottom up.. An FWD surely couldn't do that. Also it's quite funny in the wintertime when you have a newish audi A6 4WD next to you on the traffic lights, and it's slippery as hell. The face of the audi driver when he realizes he can't getaway from a 30 years older Citroen until 50mph... Surely would buy again just for the fun factor :D
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I remember John Hannam in Lincoln having one and saying that it stuck to the road like the proverbial.
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There is also this one for sale: https://www.classic.com/veh/1990-citroe ... k-nw7qY2n/ or is "Brads" one that you are referring to above. Correct wheels, better colour.
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Re: FYI's - if you are bidding on the 4x4 @ Manor park auctions today

Post by Pcheaven »

Pretty sure that’s brads
BX Meteor. Sub 20000 miles. Very Original.

ToDo list.

1. ̶G̶e̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶
Have a GnT
2. G̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶a̶d̶i̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶
Have a GnT
3. Adjust the clutch
Have a GnT
4. Clean LHM tank then a complete flush
Have a GnT
5. Wash, clay bar then ceramic coat paintwork.
Have a GnT
6. Replace rear spheres
Have a GnT
7. Replace bottom hose