XANTIA 1.9TD AUTOMATIC?

tim leech · Post by **tim leech** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:06 pm

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITREON-XANTIA-1- ... dZViewItem

Read the description.

Philip Chidlow · Post by **Philip Chidlow** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:51 pm

So how's that work then? Is it a 1.9 N/A auto model which has had a 1.9TD put in? In which case what about the box. Will that be up to it?

Post by **docchevron** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:06 pm

Hhmm, that'll have the last evolution of the ZF unit, but I doubt it'll last long unless it was driven VERY carefully, the boost would rip the guts out of the epicyclic. I'd also be amazed if the torque converter would cope..

Unless it's been modded with the Siemens box aswell, although I'd have thought he'd have mentioned that..

Interesting idea though..

Cheers
Chris G

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:37 pm

These boxes must be super fragile....my 1.9TD can't tow a fly on a horsehair

Post by **docchevron** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:24 am

Thats cos Xantia's are the work of the devil Kitch!

Well, it's the heat that really kills them, but the torque converter can be fairly fragile, and the epicyclic is very small for the amount of grunt being hoofed through it. All in all the box has a hard life in standard form, whap a turbo lump on it and it's like telling the Beelzebub he's a goat rapist. Just asking for trouble.
Unless you spend large sums on the box, or have one made to your own spec like!

Cheers
Chris G

tim leech · Post by **tim leech** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:07 am

Here we go again! Chris have you had a bad experience with one?

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:23 pm

tim leech wrote:Here we go again! Chris have you had a bad experience with one?

Lost?

tim leech · Post by **tim leech** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:09 pm

Who is?

Post by **docchevron** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:23 am

tim leech wrote:Here we go again! Chris have you had a bad experience with one?

No not really

The first standard xantia autobox we used on dads TD BX auto blew up after 199 miles, but other than that, I'm just pointing out the design flaws in the box when used in certain applications.
It's simple engineering Tim. It's a clever box for what it is, but in application it got cooked.
It really needs a oil cooler rather than using the cooling system of the engine which more than anything heats the box rather than cools it.
It only has one brake band, the rest is controlled by hydraulics, and the valve chests can get sticky.
If you look at the physical size of the running gear in any of the smaller ZF transmissions they are not very manly.

Thats not to say it's not a good box, it is. It just could have been better, and running a 19TD through a box that is designed to cope with 70BHP is asking for trouble.

As the good book says, "been there, done that, spent a load of money making it better!"

Cheers
Chris G

tim leech · Post by **tim leech** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:05 pm

I meant Xantias in general matey. I like them, not as much as my BX though.

Post by **docchevron** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:41 am

Oh I see!
Nope never had a bad experience in a xanty, just find them unbelievably dull.

Eurobox for the masses, all the design thought of a pebble..

I'm not saying they are bad cars, just REALLY REALLY dull.

The BX had style, flair, and most importantly, it was a drivers car, it gives you feed back, you know what the cars doing under you.
The xantia is just to "closed", theres no feeling, no flair, no style, the ride is wallowy, they just aint my bag at all. And I've driven and worked on ALOT of BX's and Xantias.
I've always said the xantia was a miniture XM done badly, and I stick to that. I love XM's, but the xantia tried to be something it wasn't.

IMHO the only xantias worth having are the V6 and the ACTIVA.

Even then, I'll take a BX or an XM anyday..

Horses for courses and all, the xantias a perfectly capable way of getting from A to B, it just doesn't get from A to B with any excitment.
I wouldn't climb into a xantia just for the sake of driving it, I do with the BX's all the time...

Cheers
Chris G

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:30 am

I know what you mean, they're pretty disconnected to drive. I only rate it as a daily driver because its so lazy and easy to run. Very refined too, so each time I get in the BX it seems even more fun because that isn't smooth or refined or quiet or easy

One of the things I hate about my Xant is the gear ratios with the 1.9TD engine....the jump from first to second is huge, always seems to bog down when I change unless I rev it.
And the other thing, is that if I try and pull away from a junction with the steering at half lock or more, as I pull the front lifts right up in the sky and the suspension goes hard and doesn't come down again for a couple of seconds. If all my others hadn't done it I'd think it were a fault, but every Xant I've driven does it, HA or not. Its not somethign I noticed straight away though.

Oh and the brakes.....they're awful. I mean truly shocking, and mines had the mod done on the pedal too!

So the weak autobox can just be added to that list!

Ian_Fearn · Post by **Ian_Fearn** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:37 am

I loved my V6 Xantia, smooth, hugely powerful, comfy, luxurious. Shite fuel consumption though. 25mpg was not really achievable, 20 was a more regular occurance, my mates W reg M5 does more than that.

The auto-adaptive gearbox is just as crap as the other box. Regardless of oil changes these things give up without any prior warning. You're looking at 3 grand to change it in an XM or Xantia.

Also the V6 engine could trounce most of the rubbish you see on the roads BUT only if the box reacted quick enough, mostly it'd just bog down in a high gear, then it'd kick down 2 gears only to find it needed to change up another gear because it was redlining.

Anyway, that aside, give me a Xantia over a Mondano anyday.

I'm far more content with the TZD BX though

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:40 am

I've still never driven a V6 Citroen

The Activa was fantastic though, one of my favourite cars that I've owned.

Ian_Fearn · Post by **Ian_Fearn** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:08 am

I've driven 4 types of V6 Citroen

V6 Xantia
V6 XM
V6 HDi C6
Maserati V6 SM

I loved them all!