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Engine type?

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There has been a clerical complication with Spanish registration authorities, in processing my '92 19D Millesime.

The engine is the original 1905cc XUD9A, and non-turbo.
Their homologation paperwork is mistakenly stating "19TD".

Service Box (characteristics) not much help as it just states "Diesel XUD9"
Vehicle Characteristics (ServiceBox).JPG
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Is there info anywhere on interpreting the engine number, which is 10 CU3T 0601068 ?

I've already advised that 1.9 means NA, and all BX turbo's were 1.7, but they want documentation for this.
Citroen Spain have been asked to confirm the info, but no reply coming back as yet.
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Surely the stamp on the engine block denotes its status
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The problem is not with the engine, which carries a serial number that tallies with Service Box vin/details, but with the Spanish registration authorities having read an ambiguously laid out Citroen homologation document for the diesel BX, which suggests (wrongly) that all XB-XC cars were turbo.

The document goes on to detail XB-XC cars as 1905cc and 51kW, which is correct, but they are insisting I provide certification from Citroen Spain to confirm the car is NA. I have messaged Cit Spain, to request some engine data in more detail than S/Box lists.

Hence my question about how to read one of these engine numbers.
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My BX antenna seem to recall that there was a BX19TD or TDR model that was not a turbo at all it was just designated with those letters. This, as you would expect has mislead and confused for decades. How you persuade the 'authorities' of this is of course the stuff of novels/farces and tongue in cheek TV series.
Someone will come along with the answer eventually I am sure.
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You're right.
The BX19TRD was a N/A diesel, D9A (1905cc) engine, 65PS_64bhp_48kw.
UK marketing decided TRD was not a helpful label, so in UK it appeared as the DTR.
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The register can assist you here, as I've learned that the VIN tells you what model you have.

'XC*****' - 1.9n/a diesel XUD9* engine, hatchback body.

'EK*****' - 1.8TD XUDT7* engine, hatchback body.
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Thanks, Kitch, for the link to the Register.

We got to the bottom of the problem in the end, with the Testing and Matriculation (registration) authorities here having wrongly recorded the car as 19TD, instead of the correct 19D.

This was done as a result of their reading a poorly laid out Homologation document (predecessor to an EU Conformance Certificate) from Citroen Spain, which implied that all XB-XC cars were Turbo. The document did go on to correctly list the XB-XC engine as 1905cc and 51kW, but of course that would mean nothing to them.

Putting this right (on the vehicle's now Spanish documentation) will not be easy (or cheap), not helped by Citroen Spain not yet responding to a confirmation of actual engine type, which is what the authorities have asked for.

To cut to the chase, I have confirmed with my insurance company that as the correct engine type (19D) is insured, there will be no issue with any future claim. That'll do at this point. If Citroen Spain do make a helpful response, I'll look at it again.

Was also not impressed with the Test/Registration folk managing to record the body colour as Gris (grey)!
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That certificate ain't right then, as an XB is a 1.6 petrol! :lol:
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Hi Kitch,
The homologation document obtained by the registration/licensing authorities was this...
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BX homologation doc p1_Page01.jpg
BX homologation doc p1_Page2.jpg
I suspect that the poorly laid out first box (p1, highlighted) was what caused the incorrect 1.9TD entry.
Page 2 makes it clear that the engine is 1905cc 51kW, but that would have meant nothing to the Testers who logged the final paperwork.
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I can see why that confused them.

Incidentally, the 'XB-XC' thing is a bit confusing (and I didn't explain it well).

XB (immediately after the VF7) means BX. So all BXs are 'VF7XB.......'. Then, it has another two letters, which signify the type of BX, and confusingly, the 1.6 petrol (hatch) is, again, XB. So, it's VF7XBXB.....

Diesel hatches are VF7XBXC...... and so on.

The identifier is repeated again at the end, I assume, for the purposes of shortening the VIN if you were digging out a car in a compound somewhere. My 16TRS is XB9918, so you knows it's a 16 hatchback right away.
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