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Post by Dollywobbler » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:14 pm

The analogue clock in the RD's isntrument binnacle doesn't work. Furthermore, it makes a bloody horrible noise. Has anyone ever tried to fix one? Alternatively, can I cut the power to it easily? I really need to remove the binnacle to replace some bulbs anyway.

Secondly, is the wiring loom standardised across models? ie if I was to turn all heretical and replace the grey oddments tray on the top of the dashboard with black one (and its digital clock) would I find the plug sitting there waiting for use?

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Re: Clocks

Post by adamskibx » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:39 pm

Mine makes a noise as well, but no worse than the loudest household clock. It could be that the needles have lost grip with the axles. Also, I am sure any watch repair shop would be able to fix it.

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Re: Clocks

Post by sdelasal » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:07 pm

I added a LCD centre clock to an RD & the wiring was not there. I think you need a permanent live, ground and a switched live connected to the head/side light circuit so that the lcd dims when the lights go on.

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Re: Clocks

Post by Dollywobbler » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:12 pm

adamskibx wrote:Mine makes a noise as well, but no worse than the loudest household clock. It could be that the needles have lost grip with the axles. Also, I am sure any watch repair shop would be able to fix it.
This one is a LOT noisier than a household clock. Which is especially annoying as it doesn't actually work. I dislike analogue clocks anyway, so think I'll proceed with something digital. Thanks for the tips sdelasal.

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Re: Clocks

Post by David » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:18 pm

It varies from model to model. I put a digital clock in my BX meteor & it already had the plug waiting for me.
However a TGD I looked at years ago didn't have the said plug.

As for the analogue clock, some are noisy & some are quiet. The one in my meteor made a racket, but the one in the TGD I saw years ago was perfectly quiet. Could it just need some grease on the cogs? The live wire for it, is in the green plug on the back of the instrument panel, But I have never needed to know which so I haven't looked. Otherwise you could just unscrew the PCB off the back of the clocks' contacts to stop it.
I might have a spare analogue clock if you want it (the one out of mine), It would just be a case of getting it from me to you.

As for the digital clock wiring it has 4 from the factory, but it only needs 3 wires; constant live, neutral & switched live. Just the dimmer wouldn't work then.

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Post by rutter123 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:35 pm

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Re: Clocks

Post by adamskibx » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:43 pm

Dollywobbler wrote:
adamskibx wrote:Mine makes a noise as well, but no worse than the loudest household clock. It could be that the needles have lost grip with the axles. Also, I am sure any watch repair shop would be able to fix it.
This one is a LOT noisier than a household clock. Which is especially annoying as it doesn't actually work. I dislike analogue clocks anyway, so think I'll proceed with something digital. Thanks for the tips sdelasal.
Fair enough. Mine is the same volume as a household clock but has 4 beats per second instead of one so I can understand why if it was load it would be a pain. I would like a digital one, but then what would you do with the clock space in the dash? A rev-counter would be nice but not really required on the models without one originally. In fact, they are not required at all unless your deaf.

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Re: Clocks

Post by Dollywobbler » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:52 pm

I like the watch!

Is it quite easy to change the clock? That'd ultimately be the preferred option I guess, as it's what it should have originally.

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Re: Clocks

Post by electrokid » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:00 pm

The digital clock needs a 0v (ground / earth), permanent 12v, ignition, and a connection to the sidelights feed.

Permanent 12v is needed to keep the clock running.

Ignition illuminates the bulb which is grounded through a 68 ohm resistor and also through a diode connected to the sidelight filaments. When the sidelights are switched on the bulb is only grounded through the 68 ohm resistor so it's not so bright when the lights are switched on. When the sidelights are switched off then the bulb current goes via the diode and through the sidelight filaments to ground so it's important that the sidelights are fitted and working. The clock bulb is a lower wattage than the 2 sidelight bulbs so it illuminates in preference to them when the sidelights are unpowered.

I've seen a variety of different bulbs used from 1.2W to a couple of watts. The main difference is in the side of the PCB the bulb contacts are. Working partly from memory here - if you have a Jaeger or Sato clock then you should be able to use the same bulbs as are in the dash, the contacts for the bulb being visible / on 'this' side of the PCB. If you have a Borg or (IIRC) a Valeo then you'll need a bulb holder with the contacts on the other side.
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Re: Clocks

Post by David » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:23 pm

Dollywobbler wrote:Is it quite easy to change the clock? That'd ultimately be the preferred option I guess, as it's what it should have originally.
Providing you have some very small sockets or spanners (Can't remember what size exactly, could be 4,5 or 6 mm) then its very easy to change the analogue clock.

You have to get the instrument panel out of the car, then unclip the plastic time adjusting knob on the clock (it just pulls off), unclip the plastic covering the gauges, then there is 2 bolts in the clock one above & one below (these are where the tiny sockets come in), undo them & then turn your cluster over. There is 2 bolts on the back (these are where it gets its power) undo these & it should drop out (again these are tiny).
The glue sometimes holds it in, if so just give it a little push from behind. You can pull out the black blanking plug to get your finger behind it to help. I don't think there are any more screws on the clock (unlike the rev counter when fitted). Once its out you can attempt to repair it or put another one in.

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Re: Clocks

Post by Thread Bear » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:59 am

Dollywobbler wrote:I like the watch!
Indeed, going round a roundabout you can see the time in Jakarta. Damned handy in this day and age! :lol:

Gary now has no speedo, no rev counter and a clock that you cannot see. Indeed the only information of use it is willing to impart, is the fuel level. Worse than a stroppy girl friend. :lol: So a task to do once the Auto has some more tweaks into regular service is a long overdue dashboard fiddle. Pity there is not a French trained mole to do this as my hands are not designed for fragile and small spaces. The original clock in the bit box is not the best thing on the road though. OPtions interesting.
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Re: Clocks

Post by Defender110 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:47 am

I fitted a centre clock to my TDG Auto and the wiring was already there. My dash clock works silently but as I own and drive a TZD as well I was in the habbit of looking to he centre pod for the time.
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Re: Clocks

Post by Tim Leech » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:49 am

Again Ian, theres plenty of the right sort of clocks at alan Goodyears, the clock on my RD does work, and is silent but looses a few minutes here and there!!
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