C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

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C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by almostfrench » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:16 am

When "Chuggington" (BX TGD), needs new tyres, I'm tempted by the idea of C2 or C3 15" alloy wheels.

The main reason is that Michelin in particular, is not offering their high-end tyres in 14" sizes ant more.
Pilot Sport 3s are only available in 15" upwards.

I'm quite aware that going slightly lower profile will have a corresponding loss of comfort, but it's a compromise I'm willing to make for more grip and more precise steering.
Besides, I'm not looking to change things radically.

Has anybody used these wheels?
I'm hoping that the offset might be correct for using 195-205 section tyres without having to alter the guards.
The rear bearings have been changed recently, so no issues there.

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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by rutter123 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:36 am

205'S may be tight on the back, i had 195's on 14's on the rear of mine with only a few mm's of clearance on the inner arch even with new arm bearings, i think a few of the guys have fitted 205's on 17's maybe they could advise you further.
So far as i know 6J rims are about the limit on the rear without having to "adjust" the rear arches.
You may want to consider Pug 205 SMR (205 1.9) Goodwood style rims which are 15's 6J which i think look pretty good on a BX and are in keeping with the era.
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Tim Leech » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:36 pm

You can fit 175/65 14 easily enough or 185/60 14, the bigger the wheel, lower profile tyre etc the harder the ride
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Kitch » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:27 pm

almostfrench wrote: I'm not looking to change things radically.
Pardon me for pointing it out, but wouldn't you say not changing things radically would be to just use another brand of tyre, other than Michelin? There are plenty that offer better tyres, and usually for less cost too.

Changing to a different style of wheel purely to retain a brand of tyre is changing things fairly radically, to be fair :wink:
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by almostfrench » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:59 pm

Thanks all.
I'm not necessarily hung up on Michelins, it's just that the choice of decent tyres in 14" is dropping by the day.
Sure, you can but Yokohama Advans for track days in sticky compounds in old fashioned sizes, but the advances in tyre technology are not trickling down to 14" sizes like they are for 15s and 16s.
I also really like the look of wheels like those used on the C2 such as the "Leopard" wheel, I just wondered if anyone knew if the offset was in the ballpark.
Unless you're going down to 40 profiles, the ride quality doesn't suffer as much as some people would have you believe; tall tyres HAVE to have stiffer sidewalls, therefore lower profile tyres can have more flexible sidewalls for better shock absorption.

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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Kitch » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:14 pm

In my experience (speaking as someone who ran C2 wheels on a BX) they ruined the ride. Tramlined like hell, and the unsprung weight was noticeably higher as the C2 alloys may as well be made of iron. NVH noticeably worse and the offset was wrong. would have needed spacers to sit them properly.

Plenty of decent tyres out there in BX sizes.
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Tim Leech » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:51 pm

I bought 4 new Michelin 165/70 14 last year for about £45 a pop
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Tinkley » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:29 am

TBH the Pirellis' on the Auto are OK too. Slightly harder to 'feel' than the Michelin Energy's but still grip Ok and steer with good weight, Dunlops are light steering by comparison btw. Mind you, I don't mind the factory stock sizes 165/70 seems pretty good to me for real world use. I have played more with m/cycle sizes before now to some advantage but they are much more sensitive to a single aspect ratio change ie from 120/60 to 120/70 which can really change steering. Brand is aslo noticeable with in 100 meters of riding off with new tyres. It's the carcass design as well as rubber and profile. Cars are less sensitive but still reward a good selection, re steering/grip/handling/feel.

We have a C4, which has 17" alloys. A neighbour has one too but changed to 15" steelies and high aspect tyres (ie cheap C4 model type) because he buggered 2 wheels on potholes. If you believe in the roads being resurfaced to German standards in the next few months then low aspect tyres are fine. Hell I've even buggered 2 steel wheels on a BX at very low ie sub 20mph on local roads. Strangely the tyres survived.

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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by rutter123 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:14 pm

I fitted a set of 4 Infinity Ecosis budget tyres, new not remoulds (4 for £112 off the web) on the t/d last year and to be fair they feel just as good as the Avon's that were fitted previously, the budgets have B wet rating and same for fuel/noise efficiency, at the time £'s were short and couldn't stretch to Michelins or similar, they do the job well enough for me. Probably wouldn't fit them on a 16v if i had one tho.
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Tim Leech » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:22 pm

I fitted some matador budgets to my 19TZD before the 2012 challenge and they gripped well, were quiet, £30 a piece
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Kitch » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:48 pm

rutter123 wrote:Probably wouldn't fit them on a 16v if i had one tho.
My 16v's got Wan-li ditchfinders on it, or something. I don't think the cost/brand of tyre plays a massive part of how well they work, but when you've got crap ones like me, you definitely drive according to the grip levels!
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Defender110 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:47 pm

Kitch wrote:
almostfrench wrote: I'm not looking to change things radically.
Pardon me for pointing it out, but wouldn't you say not changing things radically would be to just use another brand of tyre, other than Michelin? There are plenty that offer better tyres, and usually for less cost too.

Changing to a different style of wheel purely to retain a brand of tyre is changing things fairly radically, to be fair :wink:
Especially when the car has a wonderful perfect set of original trims complete with the illusive valve covers :(
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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by almostfrench » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:34 am

Hmmmm,
Seems like the weight of experience is against me.......
I certainly wouldn't be losing sight of Chuggington's steel rims and original trims. He does look very smart as is. I'm just remembering what a MASSIVE difference in grip and handling, "Modern" tyres made to an Audi I have back in Australia.
Maybe I'll get some nice Michelin Energy or Cross Climates for now and maybe have a "Play" with some secondhand rims down the track.
Thanks everyone for your input. I'll keep you posted on how I get on.

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Re: C2, C3 Alloy wheels on a BX

Post by Tim Leech » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:57 am

Just get some new tyres to fit the rims,

I ordered 4 new Michelins for my GT today, 175/65 R 14 and paid £50 a corner for them
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