Rear suspension "clacking noise"

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Rear suspension "clacking noise"

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I’m getting a clacking noise from the rear suspension

It happens when going some speed bumps and when going quickly over some rough roads

And only on the drivers side

I’m not sure if it’s coming from the rear roll bar or the swing arm bearings :(
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Check to see if the Rubber bush that cushions the suspension from the bodywork has not gone missing.

Another possibility?
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Spare wheel cage ?
Wheel jack rattling inside spare wheel ?
Boot door rattling on lock bar ?
rear side door rattling on lock poster ?
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AndersDK wrote:Spare wheel cage ?
Wheel jack rattling inside spare wheel ?
?
oh :shock:

i'll have a check of those in the morning 8)
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had a good look at all the bits

it's making a cracking sound when get into the car and when i go over bumps

so it looks like it's time to get the arms off

i've looked through the hyanes manual and it looks quite clear but can anybody "walk me through it" just so know what i will be doing

i have a spare pair of good arms so i can do the bearing later 8)
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It's rear arm bearings alright and it will not be evident by doing the old jack up on high and look at the legs trick (/ \ - / | etc) as you'll probably find that they move front to back instead. They were like that on my BX16V when I did them.

As far as the job itself goes, as good a walk through guide as you'll get is here:

http://www.citroenbx.nl/techniek/onderh ... agers.html

It's in Dutch which is no real problem as it is a comprehensive guide in pics and can be used in conjunction with any other write up on the job.
I haven't done one of these for some years now as I have all ours modified, but if you intend using used arms and bearings, suggest you pack plenty of grease into them or they will probably end up in the same state as the ones you're taking out in a short period of time due to the snow and salt that may get into them in the upcoming winter.


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classic2cv wrote:I have a spare pair of good arms so I can do the bearing later 8)
Hi there. There are arm bearing kits on ebay at the moment. The only way to do it as they include everything.

Doing the arm bearings really isn't a big problem. The only thing that you need to make sure is that it's greased properly and that the outer seal is fitted correctly.

Back on stands, System depressurised, rear wheels off, inner brake shield off (not necessary but handy for extra room), brake pipe off, suspension cylinder pin out that goes through arm, (ABS sensor if you have disconnected either from arm or unclipped under back seat and pushed through) and big bolt undone. Then it all falls out and you can take the arm out, knock the bearing out by using a screwdriver to push the central metal tube out and then gently remove all the other smal bits inside. Then refit as per Haynes or just ask.


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m_2975 wrote:
classic2cv wrote:I have a spare pair of good arms so I can do the bearing later 8)
Hi there. There are arm bearing kits on ebay at the moment. The only way to do it as they include everything.

Doing the arm bearings really isn't a big problem. The only thing that you need to make sure is that it's greased properly and that the outer seal is fitted correctly.

Back on stands, System depressurised, rear wheels off, inner brake shield off (not necessary but handy for extra room), brake pipe off, suspension cylinder pin out that goes through arm, (ABS sensor if you have disconnected either from arm or unclipped under back seat and pushed through) and big bolt undone. Then it all falls out and you can take the arm out, knock the bearing out by using a screwdriver to push the central metal tube out and then gently remove all the other smal bits inside. Then refit as per Haynes or just ask.


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this is cool 8)

i ask a tech question and i get 2 answers from down under :shock:

the wonders of the internet age :D

thanks for the help guys, i'll have it apart and sorted on monday
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classic2cv wrote:this is cool 8)

i ask a tech question and i get 2 answers from down under :shock:
I'm always here to help :lol: :lol:

It's better to be preventative with these bearings. Once the races and roller bearings eat into your arm you are....erm....buggered. You get new arms as using the eaten ones will allow water in very fast and possible bearing/seal failure.

Note when you do the arms that there "should" be a metal shim (or spacer) in there. It's very important to put it back if it's there as it correctly pressurises the bearing. No spacer and the races wear out prematurely due to bedding into the metal. Don't believe me? When you hit out the inner metal rod and pull out the bearing (or what's left) and wipe the metal surface that the bearing rests on have a look and see the little indents in the metal from the bearings. I'll take a photo next weekend when I have an arm handy :D
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The long bolt protrudes considerably beyond the nut into the middle of the curly section of the brake pipes, so a deep 24mm socket will be useful here if you have one. You might find it easier to hold the nut whilst applying lots of leverage to the bolt head with an extension and breaker bar or some suitable form of leverage.

If the rear brake pipes are rusty, then it is a good idea to feel along them for "thin" weak spots by pinching between thumb and forefinger . One of my pipes sprung a leak due to the unavoidable movement and had to be replaced.

You can tie the calipers to a stick poked into a hole above the arm instead of removing them, thus avoiding the need to disconnect the brake pipes.

Also, have a look at this site
http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~ynar/bxorg_a ... /m07e.html
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Thanks for that input ellevie,

Those diagrams are great.

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Yes, it's a very good site with loads of excellent illustrations. I've made an offline version of it with correctly referenced http links just in case it should disappear one day.

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ellevie wrote:I've made an offline version of it with correctly referenced http links just in case it should disappear one day.
That's a great idea David as we all know how easily and fast a site can disappear from our midst!
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I saved a copy of this site some time ago and thought that it had gone too but I lost it so I’ll save it again

Both in English and Japanese (I think that the Japanese version has some more stuff on it)

It’s a great site :D
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